Picking issue - large/small QTY strategy

Hello,
I have a question regarding the use of the large/small QTY picking strategy in SAP WMS:
My customer has a warehouse with one bulk and one picking area. We are using the large/small QTY picking strategy. If an order contains > 1 pallet of the material, it will be picked from the bulk area, otherwise picking from the picking area is used.
Now, I have the following scenario:
My bulk area of Material A is empty;
The picking area (Material A) contains 2 pallets.
An order is placed for two pallets, Material A. When creating the TO, the system wants to fulfill this order with stock from the bulk area. This is correct from a large/small QTY point of view.
However, as there is no stock available at the bulk area, the order cannot be fullfilled. Now, I would expect that the stock from the picking area is used, so that the order can be fullfilled. Unfortunately, SAP does not automatically use this available stock because it is not allowed from a picking strategy point of view.
Of course, I would like to know if there is a solution available for this specific scenario... anyone?
Regards,
Oliver

Hi,
I've got the same problem here at my customer. Any progress to report on this matter?
Work-around would be to change the quantity to an amount lower than the large/small quantity and split the amount in one or several step so you can pick from picking area. Result would be a transport order with several lines in the picking area.
Any other suggestions on this?
Regards,
Arno

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