Pioneer Superdrive no longer reads Apple Brand DVDs!

Just recently i have noticed my G5 has stopped accepting Apple Branded dvds. All others work fine. I think it started after I upgraded to 10.4.4.
Since I upgraded I have noticed the drive makes a lot more 'clicks and *****' as well as the fan underneath the drive spins alot faster and makes more noise than before. Now when I put a pre-burnt Apple brand DVD into the drive, its sort of grunts, waits a few seconds then spits it out.
Curiously the dvds mount in my ibook with 10.4.4.
I think 10.4.4 has shafted the optical drive firmware is there any way I can reload the firmware?

Before this all happened, I could burn to dvd no problem.
BUT I totally know what you mean about having a problem ejecting any disk!
The grinding noise and the attempts by the iMac to spit them out on it's own and then trying everything I could think of to get it to eject... frustrating and a bit scary knowing something is definitely wrong.
It probably should have clued me in that things were only going to get worse.
I've got the extended care, my hard drive has already been replaced (that after only a few months) and now I've got to pack this baby up again and wait for the optical drive to be replaced.. oh no...
I agree, you should get a replacement without charge even if you don't have extended care as it is obviously defective, just like mine.
Hey thanks for replying, I was beginning to think this post was in complete vain.

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Now that Apple branded DVD media (DVD-R/-RW x2, 4, 8) No Longer Exists.....

I've had my Powerbook G4 for about 3 years now and have only been successful burning DVDs with Apple's own branded media. Other branded media has had a fairly high fail-rate with my UJ-816 Superdrive and there are no firmware updates for the model. Apple-branded media is just short of a ZERO fail rate (maybe 2-3 lost out of 200-300 DVDs and many hundreds of CDRs - honest, it's been that good).
Apple branded DVD-R/-RW media compatible with x2/x4/x8 (I have an x2 but it's been fine using x8) IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE. I've dug through Apple stores, Best Buy, online stores, eBay, MacMall, J&R Electronics, etc. and nothing.
So, does anyone else with one of these slower burning Superdrives have any recommendations for other branded media that they've found works successfully?
Thanks - I'm desperately trying to complete backup of a 30,000+ track audio library to DVD and this is really the wrong time to find the only media that worked is no longer marketed.
G4 Powerbook 17, 1.33 Ghz, 512 RAM Mac OS X (10.4.9)

Sorry to hear that, but there's surprising hope: you want to shop by manufacturer, not Brand. Indeed, check www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm. Apple sold Mitsubishi discs. These are currently sold as Mitsubishi-Kagaku Media (MKM) by Verbatim & Infiniti (of England). You can shop by 'brand' locally, if you rewrite the 'brand' table on 'digitalfaq' by replacing the manufacturer by those manufacturers it subcontracts to (I assume the worst). :-[ Sony, Kodak, Panasonic, & Verbatim sell only the best, often Taiyo Yuden: reportedly the best manufacturer! But Taiyo Yuden can be bought directly from such internet stores as www.supermediastore.com/, where 200 8x Taiyo Yuden DVD-R discs in black, plastic sleeves are currently on sale for $40: that's US$ 0.20 each. Internet superstore like this are supposed to list the media codes, but all I've ever found is MKM listed. Other codes just list the brand's name: some brands don't even manufacture discs, and others that manufacture even the best discs subcontract to poor manufacturers when the company is in need. Taiyo Yuden doesn't subcontract. If you buy a mystery brand (which I don't believe is economical), check the return policy: they will replace discs that fail from visible damage, but who has the time for that? As a final note, many drives burn my MKM001s at 8x (because, I suspect, they consulted Verbatim when writing their firware table), whereas my LaCie writer (Samsung OEM) writes it at 2x (because, I suspect, they more responsibly consulted MKM for their table). If you burned Apple's DVD-Rs at 8x, check with Apple or http://www.cdfreaks.com/ and ask what speed your drive will burn the Taiyo Yuden DVD-R or the Verbatim DVD-RW, claimed to burn at 4x and currently selling for about US$1.00 each. I've a list of reputable internet stores selling blank media which I initially found, then added to from Germany (which are bilingual stores) & France (which wouldn't think of it). Apple likely prefers I offer such lists by e-mail. You're welcom to write, from a .Mac alias. PS. Check out 'Office Depot' brand on the first website.

Apple branded DVDs

I have problems with Apple branded DVD's. After burning it with iDVD 6 I put the DVD in the SuperDrive of my PowerMac G5 and the DVD starts like usual. Then after ten or 13 minutes the DVD-Player stops and shows a dialog with an error message, that the DVD may be scratched etc.
I also noticed that on the backside of the DVD the inner circle (approx. 1cm thick) is brighter or simply different from the other outer circle. Perhaps this is exactly the place where the DVD-Player fails to read the DVD.
I tried other branded DVDs and some works some not!
My SuperDrive is a PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-107D version A707. I downloaded the SuperDrive FW Updater, but he says, that I don't need to update.
It's strange because Apple DVDs have a good reputation, above all you use them with a Mac!
I noticed, that a other branded DVD is 4x and it works with this DVD. Perhaps my SuperDrive can only burn 4x and not 8x like the Apple branded are. But, I thought, that the FW Update should fix this? My PowerMac is listed at http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/superdrivefirmwareupdate.html

I have burned about 500 Apple 8 X DVD-R disks with only one verify error. First with a Pioneer DVR-107D Version 1.21, then a DVR-110 Version 1.41 to get double layer burning (with Verbatim DVD+R DL). The different shade area is probably showing how far it burned before failing. Look at an unused disk and it should be uniform all the way out to the edge. Usually when I use iDVD 6, I burn a disk image file to the hard drive, then use DISK Utility to burn the DVD. This eliminates the possibility of iDVD not keeping up with the drive when burning. I had that problem with iDVD 3.01 when I first installed the Pioneer DVR-107D (8X) to replace the DVR-A03 (2X) that came with my Mac. It would fail part way through the disk when burning at 8X. Since that version of iDVD could not write disk image files, I burned to a 1X DVD-RW disk, then, using Disk Utility, made a disk image file from the DVR-RW, burned that to a DVD-R (8X), then erased the DVR-RW disk to use again.
You could be having the same problem, which would explain why the 4X disks worked.
Does your drive fail when burning with Disk Utility to the Apple disks at 8X?
Newer firmware in the drive might help. Apple is very reluctant to issue drive firmware updates. I think the update they issued was just for the Pioneer DVR-A03 and A04 models, to prevent damage with $x and 8X media.

Superdrive no longer reads data DVD's

Since the upgrade to Leopard, I can no longer read any of my data dvd's.
It reads cd's and music dvd's fine, but none of my data back up dvd's will read.
After a minute of grinding, the icon appears, but if i try to read any of the content or copy any to the HDD, it grinds and grinds and pretty much crash's the machine.
I have to close the lid on my 1ghz 17" laptop, and then unplug it, and pop the battery out. Then restart.
It worked fine with Tiger, and my G5 reads the dvd's fine. So it is a software issue.

This is a generalized “DVD reading problem under Leopard on Matshita DVD hardware” post. My apologies if it is in the wrong place, but you all seem to be closing in on my own problem.
My PPC G4 running 10.4.11 reads/plays my audio CDs and my movie, data and OS installation DVDs with no problems. It has a Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-104 DVD reader. My (late 2006 white) iMac Core 2 Duo with a Matshita DVD-R UJ-85J DVD reader running 10.5.1 has SERIOUS problems.
It reads/plays audio CDs but it clicks and thrashes around before finally ejecting most of my movie, data and OS installation DVDs as well. If I persist (repeatedly re-inserting the DVD) it may finally recognize it but most of the time it does not.
I have tried going back to Tiger with my original grey installation discs but even when I can get them to be recognized there is no optional choice to archive my current system folders – its erase or nothing. Sigh. Something happened with DVD recognition/reading at 10.5.
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Sony DW U-10A won't read Apple Software DVDs-

This is on the iMac 17", OS X 10.3.9 Panther, 768MB RAM, 40+ gigs free HD space, no haxies, only Epson printer connected.
The internal Sony DW U-10A drive will read CDs, burn CDs, play movie DVDs and burn DVDs but for some reason will not 'see' Apple SW DVDs. (I haven't anyone else's to try.) I have tried iLife 04, the iMac's original install disk and my iBook's retail Tiger disk. Interestingly, after burning a SW DVD it hangs at 'verifying'. Having successfully burned it can't 'see' what it has burned to verify! The burning is successful, my iBook reads it OK.
When I put a SW DVD in, there is no spinning, no noise, just silence. Then the DVD gets ejected after about a minute. Disk Utility doesn't see the disk either. I can't even run HW test, (it's on the DVD!)
I have tried a head cleaner but that is a CD head cleaner, are DVD head cleaners different?
I have read all the stuff about the problems others are having with the Pioneer drives but nothing seems to apply here.
I have repaired permissions.
I have tried booting it from a 10.4.6 clone of my iBook on an external to do a disk repair but I get a big Ø (the other way round…) and spinning gear wheel(?)
Does anyone have any advice, tips or tricks to try? Unfortunately I can't pin this fault down to any particular time, this weekend is the first time I've loaded a SW DVD in months.
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Hi Adam,
Thanks for the suggestion, no dice I'm afraid.
Yesterday I downloaded and reinstalled the 10.3.9 combo. Ran permissions and a safe boot. No Apple SW DVD read.
Today, first I did a disk repair from the retail Panther CD 1, no repairs were made. (I ran it twice just to be sure).
I then did as you suggested with iMacs original install DVD (Jaguar) in the iBook's drive, the iBook in Target disk mode and restarted the iMac holding the Option key. The iMac saw the iBook's Tiger drive, the Jaguar disk and obviously, it's own Panther drive as possible start ups. I chose the Jaguar disk, though I was expecting AHT to come up as an option.
After a long time on the spinning gear wheel I eventually got the Ø (inverted) sign with the wheel spinning endlessly.
So the iMac will not 'see' SW DVDs no matter whose drive they are in. Nor, (see my OP) will it boot from a clone of of another OS, even though it sees it as a bootable option!
Curiouser & curiouser…
Unless you or anyone else has any further advice I'm drawing a blank here I think. If I can pry 'the other half' away from 'her' iMac long enough I'm going to try a back-up, erase and install of Panther as that's the only OS I've got on CD. I think I've got 40+ GB free on my external.
Thanks again for you help,
Adrian
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It's unlikely that the upgrades had anything to do with the problem, slim superdrives are just not all that reliable.
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SuperDrive won't read Windows 7 DVD's

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I have an iMac mid 2011 with Lion 10.7.5 installed and also Windows 7.
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Superdrive won't read or burn DVDs

A few days ago I tried backing up my iTunes by using the File- Back up to Discs. The first go round never really got started as I discovered I wasn't using the appropriate DVDs. ( They were 16X). I went out and got some new DVD-rs 1X-16X and tried again today. My machine asked me to insert a blank disc. I did. It did some work and told me it would take 5 DVDs and asked if I wanted to continue. I clicked to go on and it started to work. It took about an hour to go through the songs and then get to the burning part. Close to the end it spit the disc out. ( I wasn't there to see if it had finished the first disc, but the window at the top of iTunes was saying the disc wasn't blank. I assumed it had asked for the second disc to be inserted while I was out of the room.) I inserted a new DVD and the thing just kept saying it was checking the media. It then spit it back out. I tried several other DVDs and just kept getting the same message. I also went into preferences and slowed the burn speed. I had seen that suggested on this board as well.
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Jenn,
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8x Pioneer SuperDrive only burns 2x - firmware update?

I purchased two iMac 20" 2.0GHz models a couple months ago. One has the Pioneer DVR-K04L SuperDrive, the other a Matshita UJ-845.
The Pioneer drive burns most 16x, 8x, or 4x DVD+-R media I have tried at only 2x. In fact, the ONLY media I have gotten to burn at 8x is Verbatim 8x DVD-R media. 16x Verbatim DVD-R media only burns at 2x. The same 16x media, and many other brands of 8x media, all burn at 8x in the Matshita UJ-845 drive.
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My superdrive will no longer read dvds, but it will read blank ones, whats wrong?

I hope you can help; progressivelymy superdrive has stopped reading DVDS, it reads blank ones straight away withno issues but dvds, games, movies etc it doesn’t read anymore.
It now wont read abrand new game I bought (the sims late night) and will not read the apple snow leopard disk and wont read any dvds.
It sounds like its working, no loud sounds - it sounds fine then it spits it out.
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HL-DT-ST DVDRW GA11N:
FirmwareRevision:          KA18
Interconnect:          ATAPI
Burn Support:          Yes(Apple Shipping Drive)
Cache:          2048KB
Reads DVD:          Yes
CD-Write:          -R,-RW
DVD-Write:          -R,-R DL, -RW, +R, +R DL, +RW
Write Strategies:            CD-TAO,CD-SAO, CD-Raw, DVD-DAO
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It's also very hard to give you a straight answer just like that. This may sound stupid, but are you sure you're inserting the disk right-side-up?
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Hello,
I have an iMac G4 Dome and just last week it stopped burning DVDs on any brand outside of Apple Blank DVDs. The CD burner works fine, it's just the DVD burner. Can anybody help?

maybe you just accidentally bought your first batch of DVD+R.
The burner in that machine can only burn DVD-R
THis is confusing to a lot of people. We're all so used to seeing CD-R, that we just assume DVD-R has a similar meaning.
The breakdown is something like this.
CD-R = Compact Disc (dash) Recordable
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Microsoft Windows 7 x64 Home Premium Edition Service Pack 1 (Build 7601)
Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion dv6 Notebook PC
iTunes 10.6.3.25
QuickTime 7.7.2
FairPlay 1.14.43
Apple Application Support 2.1.9
iPod Updater Library 10.0d2
VoiceOver Kit 1.4.2 (222093/222742)
CD Driver 2.2.0.1
CD Driver DLL 2.1.1.1
Apple Mobile Device 5.2.0.6
Apple Mobile Device Driver 1.59.0.0
Bonjour 3.0.0.10 (333.10)
Gracenote SDK 1.9.6.502
Gracenote MusicID 1.9.6.115
Gracenote Submit 1.9.6.143
Gracenote DSP 1.9.6.45
iTunes Serial Number 0043AC7C0368E428
Current user is not an administrator.
The current local date and time is 2012-07-24 23:43:08.
iTunes is not running in safe mode.
WebKit accelerated compositing is enabled.
HDCP is supported.
Core Media is supported.
Video Display Information
ATI Technologies Inc., AMD M880G with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250
**** External Plug-ins Information ****
No external plug-ins installed.
iPodService 10.6.3.25 (x64) is currently running.
iTunesHelper 10.6.3.25 is currently running.
Apple Mobile Device service 3.3.0.0 is currently running.

Doublechecking ... did you have CD/DVD drive tests checked when you ran those diagnostics? (I'm not seeing the CD/DVD test results down the bottom of the results where I'd expect to see them.)
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Microsoft Windows 7 x64 Ultimate Edition Service Pack 1 (Build 7601)
Acer Aspire X3400
iTunes 10.6.3.25
QuickTime 7.7.2
FairPlay 1.14.43
Apple Application Support 2.1.9
iPod Updater Library 10.0d2
CD Driver 2.2.0.1
CD Driver DLL 2.1.1.1
Apple Mobile Device 5.2.0.6
Apple Mobile Device Driver 1.59.0.0
Bonjour 3.0.0.10 (333.10)
Gracenote SDK 1.9.6.502
Gracenote MusicID 1.9.6.115
Gracenote Submit 1.9.6.143
Gracenote DSP 1.9.6.45
iTunes Serial Number 003CAD7C0A1258F8
Current user is not an administrator.
The current local date and time is 2012-07-26 10:42:53.
iTunes is not running in safe mode.
WebKit accelerated compositing is disabled.
HDCP is supported.
Core Media is not supported. (16008)
Video Display Information
ATI Technologies Inc., AMD Radeon HD 6570
**** External Plug-ins Information ****
No external plug-ins installed.
Genius ID: d6a87ba725121aa1240b1ce936c23470
iPodService 10.6.3.25 (x64) is currently running.
iTunesHelper 10.6.3.25 is currently running.
Apple Mobile Device service 3.3.0.0 is currently running.
**** CD/DVD Drive Tests ****
No drivers in LowerFilters.
UpperFilters: GEARAspiWDM (2.2.0.1),
E: ATAPI DVD A DH16ABSH, Rev YA12
Data or MP3 CD in drive.
Found 1 songs on CD, playing time 255:57 on CDROM media.
Track 1, start time 00:02:00
Get drive speed succeeded.
The drive CDR speeds are: 4.
The drive CDRW speeds are: 4.

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