Pitch machine broken in 7.1.1?

has anyone else noticed this:
when using the classic (and maybe free aswell) pitch shifting, it pitch shifts double of what you indicate
so if i want to transpose a sample down 2 semitones, i have usually written -200, but when executing this it shifts it down 4 semitones.

hi, did you ever get this figured out? i can not get T&P machine to do anything no matter what i choose or change.
thx!
c

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Is this a bug? Time Pitch Machine Changes Gain Levels

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i'm altering the 'speed' of some of my 88.2khz aif files by a very small amount using Time and Pitch Machine, in Classic and Free modes ( -1.3% / -22cents apprx)
but to my surprise i noticed that the levels of the file dramatically drops after a process.
i expected some minr changes as its altering the length very slightly - but in the process i'm losing a great deal of level.
eg: one original file that as un-normalised has a gain of 56.41% ( - 4.94dBu aprx), has dropped after the pitch change to 27.66% (-11.16dB) !
thats a major loss of levels, and looks to be half of the original.
can somebody explain if this is a fault?

Well, the 44.1 test is just a test, you don't have to destructively convert your 88.2 files, just use 44.1 converted copies. I do agree that the drop in gain seems too much. It could well be that it is a bug related to the sample rate, so that's why I proposed the test. As for fidelity, you really do not loose much (if at all, audibly) when going from 88.2 to 44.1. Going from 24 bits to 16 bits at 88.2 will have a much greater (negative) impact then going from 88.2 to 44.1 at 24 bits.
24/44.1 is much better than 16/88.2.
Simple rule: if you can't hear the difference (test it blind! using ABXer http://emptymusic.com/software/ABXer.html
(not sure if it is SnowLeopard compatible though... my Intel Mac is unavailable right now, typing from my old PPS G4 on Leopard)
And, if you simply leave your original 88.2 files intact (use copies), you can experiment and listen without discarding your original highest resolution recordings.

Can't access Time and Pitch Machine

I have highlighted the audio region in the sample editor that I want to transpose and speed up but Time and Pitch Machine in the Factory folder remains greyed-out. I have tried every possible combination between the arrange window and sample editor. HELP, PLEASE!!

gonewest wrote:
I converted the region and time and pitch machine still remained greyed-out using the new region. Any ideas?
Have a look at the permissions of the the Audio path folder where you converted the region or just copy the converted audio file on the desktop and import from there to check if it is a permission issue. If it is the issue you have not convert the original region at all - just set the permissions...
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9.1.1 Time&Pitch Machine crash

Running L9.1.1 on an iMac Core Duo w/Snow Leopard 10.6.2. With or w/o plugins loaded, Time&Pitch Machine crashes out to desktop when entering numbers from either keypad or alphanumeric keys. Deleted all plists w/o change in crash behavior. Also no change after creating Empty Project w/single audio track, mono or stereo. Can't find any reports of this crash in other forums. Otherwise 9.1.1 is stable. Thanks for thoughts on this possible bug.

hmm I was fortunate not to have this in 8 or 9.0.2
but this is a definite/repeatable bug in 9.1.1 which causes crash
sample edit window
then select time and pitch or any Factory menu items
on exiting window or pressing screen set 1 key command crash happens evey time 1 track of audio no plugins
cannot work with 9.1.1 as a result
and you didnt fix screen set/display text only jumping window bug anyway, even when you said you had on release notes!!
come on apple

Fatter vocals via Time+Pitch Machine?

I'm looking to utilize the pitch change feature in Time and Pitch Machine to make a vocal "thicker". Now I understand this is gonna be a matter of opinion and one's ear, but I am not sure as to the settings and how to go from there. I can screw around and pick this or that till I hear something that sounds alright, but I'd rather have some background as to what I'm really affecting. Not sure how many cents to transpose or anything like that. Any suggestions would be well appreciated. Thanks

Do you mean to create a vocal double track to thicken the sound? In that case, I wouldn't bother with the time and pitch machine. Well, you could I suppose create a copy, then shift the pitch on the copy by a couple of cents up or down, and perhaps shift the formants a little to change the colour somewhat. But you may as well do this in realtime by copying the audio to another track and using the vocal transformer plug in. Or, another trick is to use the pitch correction plug in on your double track, with light settings (as in not too aggressive on the pitch correction speed), because the way it will adjust pitch in real time will make random variations happen compared to the original track. It will create more of a realistic sense that it was a separate vocal take because the pitch will have variation over time compared to your main vocal line. Then after the pitch correction plug, you could insert a vocal transformer (or AU pitch plug in) to just slightly adjust the overall pitch by a couple of cents and maybe mess with the formants slightly as well, to get some light chorusing.
If you want to spend some money, look at the latest Antares EVO plug ins, they make a whole range of plug ins specifically for doubling, tripling, or even creating a fake 'choir' out of a single line vocal. Might be worth a look.
Otherwise, you could also just use the classic mix techniques for vocal thickening.. Make copies of the original to new tracks, then use a bit of delay (in the inspector) to slightly shift the timing. Then set up an aux strip with plug ins such as chorus or ensemble, that kind of thing.

Using the Time & Pitch Machine

When I compared LE and LP, I noticed that LE has no pitch correction. After buying it I found that when opening up a track there is a Time & Pitch Machine. Can this be used for pitch correction? I was trying to mess with it today but my computer was not working properly so when I tried to play, no sound would come out. If I cut out individual words, could I then open that particular audio segment and adjust its pitch?

Hi,
LE does have the Enhance Pitch plugin, that I often use. It has 2 controls: how fast it responds, and what scale it uses (or chromatic). Works quite well! Much easier than the Time&Pitch machine or the Pitch Shifter plugin.
The Vocal Transformer is fun, too, by the way. Great if you need a vocal from the opposite sex, and noone's available. Just sing it and shift the pitch up/down approprialtely.
Regards,
Jaap

Time & Pitch Machine Basics

I read the manual, but it doesn't say anything about this:
When I import a song (.mp3 or .aif file) into Logic Express 8, I double click on the track and the Sampler Editor comes on in the bottom.
Then I click on the Factory tab in order to access the Time and Pitch Machine, but it is DIMMED.
Why on Earth? What do I need to do to make sure I can get it? Where do I have to click first? I have succeeded in getting the Time and Pitch Machine to work before, so I know I am doing something wrong or not doing something. Please HELP! Thanks in advance, Claudio Lessa

I would like to thank the 121 people who have read my posting so far, although no solution for the problem has been posted.
Please do not bother: after about a week -- and despite absolutely no clues given in any manual associated to this Logic Express 8 -- I found a hint on a book saying that a file must be an .aiff in order to be edited. I tried converting the .mp3 I had into an .aiff and... presto! It worked.
So... if any of the 121 who read the posting so far did not have the answer, it is here.
I would really like to see Apple to come down from its IBM-like posture and offer step-by-step manuals we could really use, instead of having to read about esoteric theories about how the sound goes into the computer and is processed. It is not everyone in this global economy who lives very close to resources/people who can solve last minute problems. Forums should be there to help even the most basic questions (in my case this one did not) but nothing replaces a good, detailed, step-by-step manual.
Thank you for the attention.

I/O error in time-pitch machine!?!

hello
am using the time-pitch machine to speed up a stereo drum track (classic mode). the time-pitch machine keeps freezing after processing approx. half of the samples and then gives me an error message: I/O error, result code = -36?
anybody got a clue?
thx, monobeat

yeah i've had these before. its probably a corrupt audio file. try saving it to a different location and then doing the processing. if it keeps cropping up on files from the same drive, start suspecting the drive.
do drive maintenence stuff quick.

Time&pitch machine error -5000

Whenever i try to use the time&pitch machine i get the following error.
Insufficient access privileges error -5000.
I therefor cannot use the time&pitch machine.
this happens with imported loops (aiff), loops created with audio instruments as well as loops recorded via external gear.
I have checked that i have 'read&write' privileges on all the audio files.
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The 7.1.1 update might very well resolve your issues.
7.1 has been known to break Time/Pitch action, at least in a TDM environment.
I've never had problems with Logics own Time&Pitch machine though, only 3rd party stuff.
Those problems are gone for me with 7.1.1 so hey, you never know!
If you're already running 7.1.1, just disregard this post.
ATB,
Erik

Time and Pitch Machine questions

Hello,
I am a recent (and so far very happy) convert to mac and it's audio environment. I knew there would be some "re/un-learning" to do and I have come across this:
1. I need to slow down a section of an audio track (saxophone) to match a piano accompaniment. The student played a bit too fast in one spot. Instead of re-recording, I assumed I could, in post, fix the problem. I read and followed the manual's instructions (95% sure on this) on selecting the section, opening T&P machine, choosing parameters, etc., and then:
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2. One more thing: I come from a PC world of Sony Vegas and Sonar, where you can use an "envelope" line to "draw" in various changes (like playback speed) over an audio file. Reaper also does this. I really like this feature, but I have not (yet) found it in Logic 8. Is it there?
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Digitalfuzz1 wrote:
1. I need to slow down a section of an audio track (saxophone) to match a piano accompaniment. The student played a bit too fast in one spot. Instead of re-recording, I assumed I could, in post, fix the problem. I read and followed the manual's instructions (95% sure on this) on selecting the section, opening T&P machine, choosing parameters, etc., and then:
When I pre-listen to the section, there is NO change/alteration in the speed. Even if I go extreme (just to see if it is working) I get nothing. Does anyone have any insight? I don't want to write this to disc until I know it is correct.
A simple method I use is to make a backup/duplicate of the section that needs to be changed. Save it as a new audio file and import it to the Audio Bin.
Using the duplicate, carry out your tempo/pitch change and click Done ( or whatever the button says ). That way, if you don't like the result, you won't have damaged your original file. In fact, all destructive edits should be done on a copy of the original audio file.

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Time machine broken after 10.9.5 update

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SYSTEM LOG QUERIES ▹ All Messages
from the log list on the left. If you don't see that list, select
View ▹ Show Log List
from the menu bar at the top of the screen. Click the Clear Display icon in the toolbar. Then take one of the actions that you're having trouble with. Select any messages that appear in the Console window. Copy them to the Clipboard by pressing the key combination command-C. Paste into a reply to this message by pressing command-V.
The log contains a vast amount of information, almost all of which is irrelevant to solving any particular problem. When posting a log extract, be selective. A few dozen lines are almost always more than enough.
Please don't indiscriminately dump thousands of lines from the log into this discussion.
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Erasing and repartitioning the drive (after turning TM off and deleting the preference file)
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valoo wrote:
I deleted the newly created sparsebundle. I also realized that the computer name had been changed and I changed it back to the original one. Here's the new problem. The TM says that I only have 127 GB and the amount of space needed to back up the disk is 140GB. I don't understand. It almost seems like it is trying to duplicate the entire backup. And this time around, I don't even see any new sparsebundle. I am stuck here.
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