Pixels to Points: Page Size

Pardon me if this question has been asked before...
I'm transitioning from exclusively using the Woodwing digital magazine tools to the Adobe DPS tools. When creating InDesign files, we previously measured them in points. 558.5x408 for landscape, and 418.9x547.636 for portrait. This was because the Woodwing reader apps allow room for the status bar.
Using the DPS system (sans status bar), by my calculations pages should be 558.5x418.9 points. I'm seeing everywhere that people are setting up their InDesign files in pixels, 1024x768. But if I do that, sizes are not 1:1. For example: 9 point type with 12 pt leading, on a 1024 px page doesn't look like 9/12 pt. In order for 9 pt type to appear the same optical size on a 1024 artboard as it does on the iPad, I have to scale it up to about 15.6 pt with 22 pt leading. That's of course for a 1024 px folio.
So my question: Is there any reason we can't continue to measure digital magazine files in points, @ 558.5x418.9? We'd really like to use 1:1 type measurements without having to constantly recalculate measurements.
P.S. We have a client presentation deadline tomorrow, and really need to figure this out today! We've nearly finished the entire publication layout, so I'm hoping we can continue to use these measurements. Our images are all @ 264 DPI or higher, if that makes any difference.

1. You will observe that the bbox value is of type ASFixedRect. This contains four ASFixed values. THESE ARE NOT INTEGERS as you are assuming.
2. Once you have converted your ASFixed values you will have a value in default page units, that is 1/72 inch.
3. The media box may not be the page size. To match the page size in all cases you need to ALSO consider the crop box and page rotate values.

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