Place tags in PSE 12

I am getting more and more frustrated by recent changes after having to update to PSE 12 from PSE 8 after a friend updated my computer system.
I am seventy seven and not compouter literate but I do try very hard to understand how things work
I have discovered after help from others how to add a tag to a place name but I have to do that via a world map which I do not like as it apprears in the Place tags as UK then a drop down with the new place tag.
Here is an attemot at a screen shot of the problem and how I would like tags to appear in futrure. ie as Strumpshwa, Titchwell etc NOT as UK>England>West Tisted. Do hope I have explained myself clearly so that someone can help.
IN PSE 8 it was so simple
Nobody more surpruied than me to see this screen shot appear
Over to you please for simple instructiosn.
Thank you,
Brian.

Hi Neileh,
Thank you so much for all your suggestions but I think I have finally reached terminal despair .
I did try and send an email to PSE but they seem to me to have a contemptible approach to users and I could not find how to send an email to PSE but kept being returned to forums.
Fir the time being I have had enough and I am growing more depressed by the lack of customer support and could not recommend the programme to others.
It may of course just be my ignorance of computers but I cannot be alone and so I am left with my present experience that PSE staff are unhelpful.
Huge thanks to you for taking so much trouble and I feel I have let you down for which I apologies.
The adding of PLACES in the Keyword drop down list is a palliative to my mind and not a cure for the problem as reasonable users would expect.
Please if you crack it please email me.
Warmest regards,
Brian

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