Placement of Keyword List on screen

As an old LR 1.4 user, I've been used to having my Keyword List on the left column. I've just upgraded to LR3.3, and the darn thing is on the right. So now I have a totally overloaded right column, and ABSOLUTELY no use for the left column.
Is there any way to move the Keyword List from the right column into the left? It doesnt make ANY sense on the right to me.
Cheers
Richard

If it's important to you, put in a feature request on the new Official Feature Request/Bug Report Forum. No promises that moveable panels will ever happen, but it's at least a way of getting features discussed and voted on.

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Keyword list problem: "No photos match the filter"

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I have relatively small (1k), and completely flat (non-hierarchical) keyword list.
for a small number of keywords, I have the following problem:
If I open Library, witht the centre panel in Grid View, then select Keyword List from the RHS panel, and select one these "problem" keywords, On the rhs of the screen it shows a number, indicating the number of images to which this keyword is attached.
I then click the arrow next to the number to display the images with this keyword.
the library filter opens in the centre panel of the screen area, dropping down the Keyword filter and correctly highlighting the selected keyword; however against this, the keyword show 0 matches and the message "No photos match the filter" is displayed.
If I right-click on the keyword in the Keyword List and select delete, the message is displayed that the keyword will be deleted from n photos
Thus I don't know if there are photos with the keyword which are just not being displayed, or whether there are a number of "phantom" keywords which are not associated with any images.
It may be that I am lacking understanding of some aspect of LR functionality; or that somehow there is an indexing problem within my LR catalogue.
thanks in advance for any help and advice

Thanks, I've been having this trouble in my catalog since LR3, problem is still there in LR4.3.
I used your suggestion to show the offending photos in a smart collection and could finally see the photos to fix all the keywords that way.
Most of mine have come from duplicate keywords that I accidentally created - I have a hierarchy of keywords and some have appearedin two places. So I have been trying to delete the old unwanted ones but have not been able to see the photos when using the filter or the keyword arrow.
My solution was to rename every one of the old dud keywords with a suffix of "XXX" - this also helps me to not use those old keywords again. Then I made a smart collection that simply searches for all keywords containing "XXX". From the collection, I go through the photos and replace the old keywords with the new corrected one. Once the filter shows the count of the number of photos down to 0 as it should be, I can finally delete that old keyword!
I am keeping this new collection (called "XXX Keywords to fix") for when it happens later... This sure sounds like a bug that Adobe needs to sort out.

Display keywords in full screen?

I know you can see the attached keywords for specific fotos in the right panel, but is there a way to see them when you are in full screen mode. PSE allowed you to r-click and get "remove keyword" which functioned to tell you what keywords were attached to any given foto.
is there any way to make the keywords visible in a similar workaround in LR3 or more straight forward way in LR3. it would be great if keywords were one of the options for r-click or as one of the library view options. any suggestions out there?

thanks i just did:
please add "remove keyword" to the r-click options in lightroom. it is
available in PSE and not only shows what keywords are attached to a
given foto , but also gives
the option to edit the keyword list without scrolling through dozens of
nested keywords in the panel. i have 20,000+ images accumulated over
decades and my keywording system has evolved over that time, making
editing essential. the current options are clunky.
terry

How can I copy keyword list to a new library

I'm a keyword fanatic. Keywords are my most favorite feature of the product. It's the reason I use iPhoto in the first place. I recently created a new iPhoto v6 library and can see that the keyword list did not get migrated. Is there a way to do this? Can I export and import the keyword list? Thanks.

gtigan
Keywords are kept in the main database file and when you create a new library, you create a new database.
The only way I can think of to what you want is to select a single pic and give it ALL the keywords, then use iPhoto Library Manager to move that pic from the old library to the new one. iplm is the only way to move pics and metadata between libraries while using v6. (hmm, another reason to upgrade.)
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TD

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I open new tabs from a lot of links that are in lists. In Firefox the link would be surrounded by dots when I opened the new tab which made it easy to know where I was in the list if I had to get up or even look away from the screen. This is gone in Firefox 4 and it's really annoying to have to try to keep my place in the lists all of the time. Can this be fixed?

I don't see it on lists like this one: http://www.creationsrewards.net/m/default.asp
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I would love to go back and open my previous version to export that catalog rather than trying to recreate it from a new Controlled Vocabulary Keyword Catalog download.
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Thank you for your help, but I found a file called Adobe Bridge Keywords.xml that only contained the default keywords that are contained in the startup version of PS. I didn't find the exhaustive list that I created in CS5 Bridge. Is there another place that I could find that entire list including the heirarchy?
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What is the best way to reorder my failed keyword strategy: In the past I have, for example, entered persons' names as standalone keywords, but now wish the name keywords were child keywords of People. Dragging Mary Smith to People does not retroactively assign the Mary Smith > People heirarchy to the images currently bearing Mark Smith, and the dragging is tedious because my keyword list is so huge.
Is there some means of selecting a keyword and making sit inside of another keyword: Make Mary Smith sit inside of People? We can do the opposite with control click of course, meaning create a keyword inside of a selected keyword, but not the reverse near as I can discern.
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Zyboo,
I tested my keyword hierarchy on a subset of my main catalog before I effectively used it. I exported "representative" photographs from my main catalog (I took about 5% of the photographs) into a test catalog and applied my keyword hierarchy to that test catalog. I then started keywording all the photographs therein, noting where my hierarchy was wrong or needed improving (keywords I hadn't included, keywords I had put at the wrong place in the hierarchy, branches that needed merging - these were the most common problems I encountered). I then updated my Excel file, zapped the test catalog, created a new one with other, different "representative" photographs from my main catalog, and started again. In total I did this four times before I applied the resulting keyword hierarchy to my main catalog. Tedious, but well worth it. Key in this process is to select different "representative" photographs each time.
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How Can I Improve the Readability of the Keyword List?

I've often wondered if you guys actually test this stuff in real-world conditions.
This white-on-gray and gray-on-gray (!) micro small font stuff may be the cool du jour UI look and work great for you bloodshot-eyed youngsters beavering away 24/7 in the bowels of Adobe Developer Central on your supermax workstation screens, but for us bifocal challenged 50+y/o codgers on deadline working in the field on ruggedized laptops in sunlit conditions, this is not a very time inefficient UI.
The Keyword List is particular painful to use since there are no keyboard shortcuts and we're forced to click on these microscopically small squares and read the keywords in what must be a 2pt font.
Other than stretching the left-panel container max left (which isn't very far), Is there ANY WAY to make the Keyword List more readable?

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Filter Keywords listing

Hi,
"Filter > Keywords" listing is A to Z .
I want to use it in categorized view . Is it possible ?
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With the filter panel you can select images by a keyword. With sort by keyword you alphabetize by keyword. Between these 2 I don't know what is not covered. Perhaps again I don't understand what you want. The filter panel is only active on the current folder.
If your photos are like mine, they have multiple keywords. So a sort does not do much, except bring all the images with keywords to the top of the screen.

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Yesterday I exported the keyword list and then acted on the suggestion from LightroomSecrets site to 'organize' while it is in text format. This went very well using a text editor.
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So now I'm still scrolling up and down collecting the keywords that are stand alone to undo and then put a checkmark beside the subkey in a category. I would have been wiser to have reorganized a few and repeated the export,import <grin>
If keywording is promoted as such an important feature and a main item for management in Lightroom then, it would seem to me that the 'LIST' itself could have been designed in a more efficient manner...Such as : a right click menu...or a browse and choice to move to...
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gtigan
Keywords are kept in the main database file and when you create a new library, you create a new database.
The only way I can think of to what you want is to select a single pic and give it ALL the keywords, then use iPhoto Library Manager to move that pic from the old library to the new one. iplm is the only way to move pics and metadata between libraries while using v6. (hmm, another reason to upgrade.)
And, as I mentioned in my other post, if you're a "keyword fanatic" then check out Keyword Manager
Regards
TD

Item category in Price list setup screen

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my udnerstanding is physical items has price.
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Should I Avoid LR4 and Get LR3 Because of My Huge Hierarchical Keyword List?

I abandoned LR2 several years ago because it crashed from my hierarchical list of 12,000 keywords. (Botanical and common names and other terms.) I have been using CS5/Camera Raw/Bridge to manage and edit my images. The hierarchical list is necessary for my stock photo business.
I will soon be needing to compare and edit images for a book publication and gallery show and I am thinking I may need to return to LR so I can work more effciently. I do not care about not exporting some keywords or synonyms etc. I think (right now anyway) that it is fine that all keywords associated with the images get exported for my stock submissions. I ususally check off only the sub-keywords or sub-sub-sub keywords.
Here are my questions:
1) Is LR 3 able to handle my huge list of hierarchical keywords which is now larger than 12,000 words?
2) Should I upgrade to LR3 and not to LR4 to avoid the keyword mess I have been reading about but don't understand very well?
3) Is it possible to even upgrade to LR3 now that LR4 is released?
3) Would LR4 handle my keywords better or worse than LR2? Than LR3?
4) Is there a work efficiency reason to upgrade to CS6 without using any version of LR and continue using Bridge and Camera Raw as I have been?
5) Is there anything else I have not thought to ask? I am somewhat technically challenged and dread learning new software, having been burned in the past with ExpressionsMedia disaster and LR2 which crashed etc.
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I try to answer your questions. I also have a large list of hierarchical keywords (funny ... also botanical names) but not as much as you have.
1) I think that Lr3 is able to handle your list of keywords. I have not heard from anybody that there is a limit to the number of keywords that Lr is able to handle.
2) There seem to be some keyword issues in Lr4. My keywords were perfectly fine in Lr3 but after upgrading to Lr4 some of my keywords were not populated, meaning that the keywords themselves were listed in the keyword list but the image count showed 0. I still have my Lr3 catalog so was able to check (with Lr3) that, indeed, in Lr3 all the keywords in question were populated with the correct number of images. Fortunately there were not too many of these not-populated keywords, so I corrected the issue manually.
Since correct keywords are mandatory for your stock business, you are right in hesitating to upgrade to Lr4. In my opinion, the improvements that Lr4 offers over Lr3 are mainly in areas that are - probably - not so important to a stock business: improvements in the Develop Module and new Process Version, the Book Module, the map Module. On the other hand I would think that image management is paramount for you and in this area Lr4 is not much different than Lr3.
3) You will not be able to get an upgrade to Lr3 from Adobe now that Lr4 has been released. So you had to find a 3rd party vendor (B&H? Amazon?) who still sells Lr3.
4) Apart from the issue described above, I don't see any difference in keyword handling between Lr3 and Lr4. Lr2 is too far back for me - I don't remember.
5) My suggestion for you would be: You have to upgrade at some point. The longer you wait, the more difficult the transition will be because the differences of future versions to Lr2 will become greater. Since at the moment version 4.1 is in the works (there have been two RCs (Release candidates) of version 4.1 already), maybe it would be wise to wait until the final 4.1 version is out. maybe the keyword issues have been fixed.
6) You can "upgrade" to Lr4 and still have Lr2 on your system. All the Lr versions are stand-alone versions, not "plug-ins" for the previous versions. So you can have two (or more) different Lr versions on your system. So I would suggest that you upgrade to Lr 4.1 (once this version is out) but leave Lr2 on your system. When you Lr4 you will be asked if you want to upgrade your Lr catalog to Lr4 and you have the option of saving the Lr4 catalog as a different file, so that your Lr2 catalog is still available for Lr2 (Lr2 will not be able to work with the Lr4 catalog!). That way, if anything is amiss in Lr4 you can go back to Lr2 and work from there.

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