Placing InDesign files vs. eps

We produce teaching materials where we have to illustrate the page from another document (i.e. "Hand out this page to the students").
Last year we created endless eps files from the InDesign docs, only to create headaches when last minute changes were made (or errors discovered).
This year, we were delighted to discover we can place the "live" InDesign pages. The time saved! The proofreading headaches solved!
However, our printer is saying "no!" - we must stick with eps production.
We can't change printers (long story of contracts, grants, etc).
How can we educate our printers? What is the argument or proof or information that they need to let us improve our workflow tremendously?
Thank you!

>Perhaps it'll work better in CS4.
The only problems I know of had to do with images in the placed InDesign document being chopped up into 1 MB chunks. That was fixed in either 5.0.1 or 5.0.2.
That, of course, has nothing to do with convincing the printer that it is a safe methodology. Since you cannot change printers, I would do whatever you can to get this printer to test it out, and hopefully change their mid. Surely they have some interest in keeping you happy (I hope)...

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