Plan cost of Valuated Sales order

Hello,
I am using Valuated Sales order and wanted to see the Plan cost is sales order report KKBC_KUN.
a) When i use a costing variant in the Requirement class with automatic marking, i am able to see the plan costs in the sales order report.
b) However if i dont use and costing variant in the requirement class and instead use the valuation with standard price of Make to stock inventory (with out val.strategy is checked), my sales order report does not show the plan cost.
I want to use option (b) and also see the plan cost in the sales order report. Is this acheivable.
Regards
Raghu

Hi Raghu
Valuation Indicator in Req Class and Costing fields in Req Class are independant things
You can specify valuation field as A (No Separate Valuation) and still use the Costing fields to calculate sales order cost estimate.. This will remain for info sake only
However, it does nt make sense to calculate SO Cost est if you dont use that in valuation
br, Ajay M

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Sales order costing and valuated sales order stocks

SAP Gurus
Can somebody explain the key configurations and account postings in sales order costing and valuated sales order stocks in product costing using the specific tcodes.How the process moves from one configuration to the other?
Use of examples will be appreciated too
Thanks

hi rback59
Thanks for your valuable reply
i completely agree with your point regarding valuation . but want to know what is the impact of recosting of a sales order . as system only picks first goods receipt cost all the time . then what is the use of recosting ?
Thanks
Sachin

Valuated Sales Order stock for Semi-Finished Products

Dear Gurus,
One of my client faced the issue that the semi-finished products is valuated-sales order. We are in Mill Industries, downstream (steel processing). The situation is:
1. We use configuration material for both finished and semi-finished products. Both are valuated at standard costs with valuated sales order stock.
2. Once the sales order is created, the cost estimates are created for both Finished, and semi-finished products.
3. The production orders is created for the semi-finished products. During production, several semi-fg and fg can be manufactured at the same time. We are using the co-products feature to cover that.
4. During the goods receipt of semi-finished products, instead of using the standard costs in sales order cost estimate, it use the planned costs in production orders which against our design.
I tried to use the user exit COPC002 and influence the standard costs. But it seems that the routine is not called for semi-fg at all. Anyone has any light on this?
Regards,

Hi
I think you are talking about Special Stock "E"...ie) Sale Order Stock...
If my understanding is correct then,
If you go and see the Table T156....For the
Movement Type: 101,
Special stock Indicator : E,
Qty. Updation Checked,
Val. Updation Checked,
Movement Indicator : Against PO,
Consumption Indicator: Sales Order Stock.....combination....the transaction Event Key....GBB only has been Assigned....these settings you cannot change...
This linkage you can view in OLMW-----> Account Determination -
> Acc. Determination W/O Wizard -
>Account Grouping....also
Reward if useful
Regards
S.Baskaran
Edited by: baskaran srinivasan on Dec 20, 2007 12:18 PM

Product costing valuated sales order stock

Hi all,
We are in complex mfg & currently re-vamping all the ERP SAP instances ( totalling 13 company codes into one single)
All 13 units( who use NON Valuated scenarios for cost object controlling) wil use valuated sales orders & projects. The old 13 companies will be trated as profit centers with transfer pricing functionality ( Multiple valuations)
My issue is to get a product cost for sales order in <b>profit center view</b> ( plan cost) exactly same as to the marked standard cost itemisation of the FERT material.
We mark & release the std cost in Jan & the client wants to have the same itemisation of the cost ( with same values) even if they create a sales order in 2nd or 3rd or last quarter. ( As you might be knowing that the sales order wil always cal;culate the values as per the current qty structure date. In Std SAP date control, there is nothing which allows us to cost exactly the same cost estimate as marked & released in JAn)
Could somebody pls give pointers as how to get this sales order plan cost itemisation exactly equal to prevously marked & released itemisation ?
We use the Std costing variant ( Costing Type = Profit center valuation) with Std date control.
Thanks in advance to all of you,
Warm Regards
Dhiraj

Hi,
If the sales order stock is valuated, you have immediate access to its value in Financial Accounting. The assigned accounts are debited and credited as a result of the valuated goods movements. From the viewpoint of MRP, the sales order stock is available for the sales order only.
If the sales order stock is not valuated, it is managed via a cost collector. The system does not carry out invoice verification postings for goods movements, and you cannot obtain an overview of how the stock is valuated until the end of the settlement period in Controlling.
Valuated sales order stocks have the following advantages:
The full costs are available at each manufacturing level.
All goods movements are immediately reflected in Financial Accounting
Assign points if helpful
Regards,
Saurabh

Non Valuated - Sales order costing

Hello All,
We are planning to use Non Valuated - Sales order costing for our client. My understanding is as follows :-
1. Production order is automatically created from Sales order created (for ex item 010 - Material X) : Production order 1
2. Sub- production order is also created if there is material Y , in the BoM of Material X & needs production : Production order 2 (linked to Production order 1).
3. When GR is done on any on these production orders - no FI entry is posted.
4. On settlement value of Production order 2 is settled in Production order 1.
5. Further Production order 1 value is flow to Sales order line item 010
6. Revenue is generated from Sales order for this item, when Invoice is posted. Still not COGS for delivery.
7. And only on settlement of this Sales order : FI posting is done for COGS.
Please let me know whether my understanding is correct point wise. Thanks
Now I have few questions to clarify, in above example :-
1. Generally these are new product (Material X) hence no standard cost is available for them. When does the cost estimate happens in such scenario. Is it when the first GR of material will happen ? When do I start see this cost estimate in Sales order.
2. Till the time Production order 2 & 1 are not settled ... Do we see WIP at the production order level when we run WIP calcualtion for production orders ?
3. What about the variances ? I have read variance calculation is not possible. Can you please elaborate why & what is avilable other than that ?
Thanks in advance for reading a long query

Hi Rajeshwari
1. If you use ABC - Then COGS split wont be available
2. Main diff between Valuated and Non val stock - Is once you produce and till you sell, the stock will appear in your balance sheet....
Non Val shud be chosen whe you make a material completely customized to the needs of a customer and the time lag between mfg and sale is very less....
If above two are not the case, then stock must be non valuated
3. Implementing the same template or introducing Val Sales order stock depends on the business needs.... The criteria to decide shud be based on (2) above
Also, if the new business where you are implementing now is the same as the existing business which is using non valuated stock, then you shud stick to the same template
4. Sales order cost estimate gets created during creation of SO, using the costing variant specified in req class... Not created during GR
5. Sales order costing does not make sense during Non Val Stock.... Unit Costing or prel costing you use during val Stock
Unit costing means you dont want to maintain a BOM... And you specify the components during sales order costing
6. I dont think you can settle prod order 2 to SDI.. You can try to change the settlement rule... In my opinion, you can not do it
Regards
Ajay M

Product cost by sales order with Valuated Sales order stock

Hi Gurus,
I am working on Poduct cost by Sales Order with Valuated stock. but i have doubt ragarding to Cost estimation.
1.In sales order scenario also Standard Cost estiamtion (CK11n and CK24) and Marking, Releasing is Mandatory? if not how can we estimate the cost?
2. If we are estimating the cost by using Standard Cost estimate, when can we estimate the cost?
can anybody please give me the steps which we are following in Poduct cost by Sales Order with Valuated stock from starting to end Settlement
Thanks&Regards
Prasad

Hi,
there are 3 types of scenarios in MTO.
In Two scenarios Sale Order would be cost object - (Non-Valuated Sale orders stock and Valuated Sale Order stock with Sale order being Cost Object)
In third scenario (Valuated Sale Order Stock without Sale Order controlling), Only Production Order is the Cost Object.
In all the cases wherever the Sale Order is the cost object, Sale Order is the final Receiver. Only the difference is that in valuated sale order stock, stock entries would be passed to FI and in non-valuated sale order, no goods movement for FG will be there.
Please let me know if you need further details in this regard
Surya

Non valuated sales order stock-help reqd

Dear Experts,
My client is into Pipe coating business who receives the pipe from the customers, coats it as per there requirements and dispatches it thereon. There is no concept of FG here as its only the service he is doing on it and also when he receives the pipe there is no raw material cost on it. Raw materials for him would be chemicals etc which he uses to coat the pipe.
This is the case of NON Valuated sales order stock.
1) non valuated GR will be done for customer stock -Only QTY update
2) sales order bom will be created with defined characteristic.
3) Plan cost of sales order will be updated based on Costing ID setting
4)Production order will be created based on Sales order.Good issue and Activity confirmation happen at Production order level but Good received only QTY but no value update.
5)Production order will be settled on sales order.Settlement profile of production order type must contain COST ELEMENT tick under settlement.
6)now my sales order contain actual cost of production.
7)No accounting document will be generated at PGI.
8)only accounting document will be generated at Billing.
9)Only COPA Document will be generated at Sales order settlement. I am going to create PA transfer structure in order to post COGM cost component wise.
Mi missing something?
Question
1) Whether all steps are correct
2) There will be no standard cost release and no variance calculation as well.
3)How can i use RA under non valuated sales order stock?.
4)HOw can i use customer stock under sales order bom with non valuated value?
5)How i will do Production order GR Only qty update?
regards
RK

Hi Raman
All steps are correct.. You seem to be an expert now!
THere wil be no Std cost release or variance calc
You can set up RA based on costs or Revenue... 1st of all check with your client whether they would like to have any WIP in this case
you can receive the customer supplied pipe using 501E movement as Non val
GR - Only Qty Update is controlled by Req Class... You need to leave Valuation field BLanlk in Req CLass and choose Acct Assn Catg E
br, Ajay M

Valuated Sales order stock with CO Production Order

Dear All,
Our clinet is manifatcuring cables and having 2 plants, for one plant we have configured PP module so we are arriving valuated sales order stock, for another plant we didnt configured PP module so we planned CO production order, but where as we are not meeting our ultimate goal i.e; valuated sales order stock.
So please guide me how to arrive valuated sales order stock with CO Production Order.
Thanks & Regards
Narasimham T

Valuated sales order stock is not dependent on PP, so you should be able to still to use it. The requirements class associated with the sales order item determines whether the item is valuated sales order stock and it also determines the valuation method. If you do not have Boms and routings in this plant you can still value the line item based on the material valuation in the material master. You can also value it based on a unit cost estimate that can be created seperately for the sales order item. Justt make the desired settings in the requirement class.
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Difference between Valuated and Non valuated Sale order stock

Hi All,
Can anybody tell me the difference between the above said subject with the steps involved in each scenario.
That is valuated sale order stock and Non valuated sale order stock in Product cost by Sale Order.
With Journal entries at each step and whether any WIP or variances at Production order level and sale order level and all the financial entries related to them
Thanks in Advance,
Ravi Kumar

Hi Shail,
Thans for your inputs,
But I wanted to know it in more detail. In what scenarios they are used with financial entries in both the cases.
I will give you my scenario. It goes like this,
My client is in pipe coating business, who receives pipes from customers and does only coating work(which is considered as service) and despatches it to the customer. this process is carried on the basis of work order(Sale order).
Now Production order is created and work is done on that with reference to Sale order for that particular customer.
So the pipe which my client receives should be non valuated stock as it will not be a raw material to them and the cost incurred on it is booked on production order like chemicals as raw material consumption, activity cost etc.
now in this scenario just tell me how and at which stage FI entries get generated at Production order and Sale order level, and also at wat level Standard cost estimate should be created i,e at production order level or sale order level(sale order cost estimate).
Will there be any entries at goods isssue and GR against production order. If no then how the COGM account will get hit.
Please tell me this scenario in both cases Valuated sale order stock and Non valuated sale order stock with financial entries in Sale order costing.
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Error reading material cost estimate for sales order (KE292)

Dear All,
I have an issue with billing. we are posting july month transactions, the material cost is maintained through MR21. When releasing billing document for accounting we are getting error message like"Error reading the material cost estimate for sales order "11"
Message no. KE292
Diagnosis
In Profitability Analysis (CO-PA), the system tried to valuate item 000010 of sales order 11 by reading the corresponding product cost estimate.
However, no product cost estimate could be found for this sales order item.
The system accessed product costing for product AMLFP011011XX00P using costing key YB3 as defined in the
CO-PA Customizing settings.
System Response
The system cannot process the document any further.
Procedure
Check your Customizing settings."
We cross checked with other client as a current date and we ran cost estimate through CK40N with same material. and we posted entries. Here it is working fine. but in above process it is not working. Can you pls guide me where i missed.
Regards,
Nagaraju,

Hi,
When the Costing Key is assigned to the material types in the COPA customizing, then system expects Cost estimation when billing is released to Accounts.
If you dont run cost estimation but update the material master through MR21, system will not accept as in the Costing key configuration you must have selected the Current Standard price field for the valuation.
Hence, try to run cost estimation and then do releasing.
Thanks & Regards
Ravi Kumar

Valuated Sales order stock - Goods Receipt

Greetings,
I am trying to better understand the concept of 'Valuated Sales order stock" and I read in the SAP documentation that:
"When you are using a valuated sales order stock, externally procured individual requirements materials are assigned to the sales order stock at the net order price at the time of the goods receipt"
But I find that in our SAP system, this is not the case. Externally procured materials are valued at whatever price they are costed in the sales order they are used.
I can have a PO whose net price is 5000 Euros for Material X but if that same Material X is costed at 8000 Euros in the Sales order to which is it used, the GR for Material X will be at 8000 Euros.
(the PO for Material X is assigned against the sales order).
Perhaps I am misunderstanding what is meant by "externally procured individual requirements materials"?
In the example above, material X is not the Finished Goods sold to customer through the Sales order. It is a component that is involved in the production of the FG.
It seems to me more logical that Material X value be based on the cost estimate computed in the sales order rather than on the PO Net price...
Thanks in advance for your valuable feedbacks!
Best regards,
Sylvain

Hello Nikolas,
Thanks for your answer.
Yes, we value our inventory at Std.
(Is this why the GR is valued at Sales order cost estimate and not Net Price?. SAP does not mention this in its documentation)
I understand your point but my argument is based on the fact that if a purchased material (Material X in my example) is received into stock at the Net Price value, then, there will be a mismatch between
- the Cost Estimate of Material X in the Sales order (Material X will be valued at its Std there, based on our Costing variant)
and
- the value at which this Material X will be consumed in the Production process (since it will be at Net Price).
This would cause a Production variance to be recognized since the actual costs to produce the Finished good would be different from the Cost estimate of the Finished Good in the Sales order (and the cost estimate in the sales order determine the COGS of the Finished Goods in accounting).
The difference of 20 you mention is treated as a Purchase Price variance in our case. That PPV is assigned against the Sales order.
Best regards,
Sylvain

WIP FOR REPETITIVE MANUFACTURING WITH VALUATED SALES ORDER

Dear All,
We are in the process of implementing Repetitive manufacturing with valuated sales order(MTO). I want to clarify whether in this scenario WIP will be generated.
Since, at the time of final backflushing, what ever GR done for finished goods, the GI for its components will be done automatically. The components will be issued based on the BOM. I think in this scenario WIP will not be there.
Please tell me whether i am correct.
regards
ranga

Thanks. I have another scenario. My client wants to transfer all cost of HR,Admin, finance etc and other indirect production cost center cost to production cost center. I mean they want to charge on the product. I have to production cost center. Client will give me the basis for allocating the cost. I have to do assessment and distribution for cost allocation
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ranga

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When we went live in 1999 we used non-valuated sales order stock for our MTO process.
I really need to create and save cost estimates for configurable material (an average build) using CK51n. It does not work with non-valuated stock.
Does any know if I can some new part numbers be valuated while the standard process stays non-valuated? A new material type with new rules??
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MM Account determination with valuated/non valuated sales order stock!

Hi All,
I have been trying to set up MM account determination in our project for sales order assigned POs.What I have observed is that when I have a PO with sales order assignment and according to requirement class (coming through reqt type) in sales order it is valuated sales order stock then in the PO we get the stock account determined through BSX key. But when it is non valuated sales order stock we get a different account assigned through GBB-VKA key. In both the cases the account assignment category in the PO is "E".
Can someone please explain what is the connection between valuated/non valuated sales order stock and MM account determination and if what is happening is right from account determination point of view?
Regards,
V S

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BSX: stock posting
GBB: Offsetting entry for stock posting
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This transaction is used for all postings to stock accounts. Such
postings are effected, for example:
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    moving average price and there is adequate stock coverage
-   In order settlement, if the order is assigned to a material with
    moving average price and the actual costs at the time of
    settlement vary from the actual costs at the time of goods
    receipt
Offsetting entry for stock posting (GBB)
Offsetting entries for stock postings are used in Inventory
Management. They are dependent on the account grouping to which each
movement type is assigned. The following account groupings are
defined in the standard system:
-   VKA:     for sales order account assignment
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Material Ledger Functionality with Non Valuated Sales Order Stock

We are in the process of setting up Make To Order (MTO) with Non Valuated Sales Order Stock. We currently use the Material Ledger in our other businesses that use Process Orders.
Does the Material Ledger functionality support MTO with Non Valuated Sales Order Stock? I have been testing this and have not yet figured out how to get ML postings. We are using production orders that settle to sales orders. We do not bring this into inventory, the costs reside on the sales order.
If this functionality does exist, I would assume I need to configure the Material Update Structure but I cannot find any documentation on this.
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards,
Greg

Hi Greg,
no, material ledger will not be able to calculate and allocate actual costs for the sales order in the scenario you describe. It would of course, if you used the valuated sales order stock.
Generally SAP sees in the valuated sales order stocks (avaliable since 3,1 or something) a great improvement and no real reason to use still the non-valuated scenario.
best regards,
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