Planning at Phantom Assembly Level (59)

SAP help says that backflush of components should be enabled and flushed together.e.g in 1st operation.
What about serialized components?
The backflush indicator will not be turned on and it may not be flushed together with other components.

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Please Follow this Link as they Have Elobrated Nicely with One Senario
Sample Senario with requirements
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Planning at Phantom Assembly Level 59- Mixed MRP

Dear Gurus/Friends
For strategy 59 Planning at Phantom Assembly Level
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1 or 2 or 3
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thanks iam closing the thread
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SAP PP-u201C Planning at Phantom Assembly level (59) u2018

Hello SAP-Guruu2019s
Pls explain the Strategy u201C Planning at Phantom Assembly level (59) u2018 and pls give any examples if possible.
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Plesae refer this link,
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_45b/helpdata/en/cb/7f9b7043b711d189410000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
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Unable to View low level items for Phantom Assembly - Order created in APO

Hi All,
I am unable to view the sub items when I create planned orders in APO and production orders in ECC. But when the order for the same material is created in ECC, I can see all the sub items. I see that this issue is only for Phantom Assemblies.
And I cannot say that all the items in the Phantom do not appear, actually some of them do appear in BOM explosion.
For example:
Pld Ord is created for A in APO
Prd Ord for A is created in ECC
A has B, C and F as requirements
and B is phantom
B has D and F as requirements
Then my BOM explosion shows
..1 B
..2 D
..1 C
..2 D
..2 E
..1 F (This only gives the quantity required to make A)
But it should also list how much of F (..2 F) is required to make B.
Where as it comes up in ECC.
Do I need to change the material settings for Phantom or is it just the UOM that is creating an issue?

Hi All,
I am unable to view the sub items when I create planned orders in APO and production orders in ECC. But when the order for the same material is created in ECC, I can see all the sub items. I see that this issue is only for Phantom Assemblies.
And I cannot say that all the items in the Phantom do not appear, actually some of them do appear in BOM explosion.
For example:
Pld Ord is created for A in APO
Prd Ord for A is created in ECC
A has B, C and F as requirements
and B is phantom
B has D and F as requirements
Then my BOM explosion shows
..1 B
..2 D
..1 C
..2 D
..2 E
..1 F (This only gives the quantity required to make A)
But it should also list how much of F (..2 F) is required to make B.
Where as it comes up in ECC.
Do I need to change the material settings for Phantom or is it just the UOM that is creating an issue?

SAP PP-Planning at Assembly level(70)u201D & u201C Planning at Assembly level witho

Hello SAP-Guruu2019s
Pls explain the Strategy u201C Planning at Assembly level(70)u201D & u201C Planning at Assembly level without final Assembly (74)u201D and pls give any examples if possible.
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Hi,
Planning at Assembly Level (70)
Purpose
This planning strategy is particularly useful for manufacturers of products with variants if a more
reliable forecast can be produced for certain assemblies than for the multitude of product
variants.
Prerequisites
You must maintain the master data of the assembly as follows:
Strategy group 70 on the MRP screen.
Set the indicator for assembly planning, the Mixed MRP indicator, to 1 on the MRP
screen.
Consumption parameters (Consumption mode, Bwd consumption, Fwd consumption on
the MRP screen) to allow for consumption of planned independent requirements.
If you are using this strategy in a make-to-stock environment, you also must set the
Individual/coll. indicator to 2 on the MRP screen.
Reduction
Consumption
This strategy is very similar to Planning with Final Assembly (40) However, planned
independent requirements are consumed by production order requirements (or schedule lines in
repetitive manufacturing) and not to requirements of sales orders.
1. Stock for the assembly usually exists.
2. Planned independent requirements are entered at assembly level. Procurement (planned
by means of the planned independent requirements) is therefore triggered before the
production order stage (or schedule line in repetitive manufacturing).
3. The planned orders for the assembly/components are convertible.
4. Procurement smoothing according to order demand is possible. In this strategy,
however, the ability to react flexibly to customer requirements is more important.
5. An accurate availability check is performed according to ATP logic during production
order processing.
6. Requirements from production orders (or schedule lines) are passed on to production
and can lead to changes to procurement after the sales order stage, if the order
quantities exceed the planned independent requirement quantities. However the order
quantities cannot be confirmed if there is insufficient coverage of components. The
system automatically adjusts the master plan. For more information see Coping with
Insufficient Coverage of Components .
7. The planned independent requirements are consumed during the production stage. This
means that you can compare the planned independent requirements situation with the
actual order requirements.
Unconsumed planned independent requirement quantities increase the warehouse stock of the
component, and cause procurement to be decreased or not to take place at all in the next period.
This procedure is called "netting."
Sample Scenario: Strategy 70
Process Flow
This example is based on a production plan in which 100 pieces are planned for <reqdat1>,
<reqdat2>, and <reqdat1>.
Stage 1: Demand Management
1.In this scenario, planned independent requirements are created as follows for the
production plan.
Period indicator Reqmts date Planned qty Value
T (= day) <reqdat1> 100 10,000.00
T (= day) <reqdat2> 100 10,000.00
T (= day) <reqdat3> 100 10,000.00
The system will find requirements type VSFB because the strategy group has been set
to 70.
2. The requirements are passed on to MRP. The stock/requirements list (Logistics
Production MRP Evaluations Stock/reqmts list) displays the following
information:
Date MRP element MRP element data Received/
required
quantity
Available quantity
<today> Stock 0
<reqdat1> IndReq VSFB 100 - 100 -
<reqdat2> IndReq VSFB 100 - 200 -
<reqdat3> IndReq VSFB 100 - 300 -
Stage 2: Procurement Before Use in Production
1. A procurement requisition is created in the MRP run (Logistics Production MRP
Total planning). The stock/requirements list displays the following information:
Date MRP element MRP element data Received/
required
quantity
Available quantity
<today> Stock 0
<reqdat1> PlOrd. 123/STCK 100 100
<reqdat1> IndReq VSFB 100 - 0
<reqdat2> PlOrd. 124/STCK 100 100
<reqdat2> IndReq VSFB 100 - 0
<reqdat3> PlOrd. 125/STCK 100 100
<reqdat3> IndReq VSFB 100 - 0
This procurement requisition is the starting point for production or external procurement.
You have a variety of options for handling the procurement process in the R/3 System.
One possibility would be to convert the planned order into a production order, release of
the production order and a goods receipt of the yield quantity. It is also possible,
however, to use returns or other goods movements for make-to-stock production.
2. After goods receipt for the order, the stock/requirements list displays the following
information:
Date MRP element MRP element data Received/
required
quantity
Available quantity
<today> Stock 200
<reqdat1> IndReq VSFB 100 - 100
<reqdat2> IndReq VSFB 100 - 0
<reqdat3> PlOrd. 125/SDeb 100 100
<reqdat3> IndReq VSFB 100 - 0
Stage 3: Production Order and Allocation
A production order that uses the planned component is created (Logistics Production
Production control Order Create).
An availability check is performed in the order (Component Availability Check availability).
In this example, it is assumed that production is 50 pieces of the material and the
material has an in-house production time of zero.
A popup appears containing the following information:
Requirements date <today>
Requirements quantity 50
Availability check (checking group) 02
ATP quantity 200
Confirmation date <today>
Confirmation quantity 50
This availability check is always performed according to ATP logic. See Availability Check [Page
157].
The production order quantity, which is not visible in the production order, is allocated to the
component quantity. You can, however, control the allocation in the stock/requirements list or in
the total requirements list. The total requirements list displays the following information:
Requirements type Date Allocated quantity Total quantity
VSFB 300
<reqdat1> 100
RESE <reqdat1> 50
<today> 50
<reqdat2> 100
<reqdat3> 100
After creation of the production order, the stock/requirements list displays the following
information:
Date MRP element MRP element data Received/
required
quantity
Available quantity
<today> Stock 200
<today> OrdRes SZ-10 50 - 150
<reqdat1> IndReq VSFB 50 - 100
<reqdat2> IndReq VSFB 100 - 0
<reqdat3> PlOrd. 125/STCK 100 100
<reqdat3> IndReq VSFB 100 - 0
Any parent material that consists of this component is automatically allocated to this plan. In
practice, there are several header materials (like SZ-10 in this example) that allocate this
material.
Stage 4: Procurement After Production
This does not apply to this strategy.
Stage 5: Goods Issue for Production Order
After goods issue for the production order (Logistics Materials management Inventory
management Goods movement Goods issue), the stock/requirements list displays the
following information:
Date MRP element MRP element data Received/
required
quantity
Available quantity
<today> Stock 150
< reqdat1> IndReq VSFB 50 - 100
<reqdat2> IndReq VSFB 100 - 0
<reqdat3> PlOrd. 125/STCK 100 100
<reqdat3> IndReq VSFB 100 - 0
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Tejas

PP - Phantom Assembly Alt Item in BOM not loaded in Planned Order

Hi all,
I have a scenario where in my finished product, I have several components organized in Alternate Group, and for each group, I define a component as Prime (100% usage) and others as Alternate (0% utilization). Among these there are some components that are configured as Phantom (Special Procurement 50), and these Phantom items, when they are Alternate in the BOM, ie, 0% Probability of Use in Alternate Item Group, it is not loaded in the list of components in Planned Order. Only the Phantom that is as Prime in BOM is showed in the Planned Order, together with their subcomponents.
The other components that are not phantom, usually appear within the Planned Order, those that have 100% utilization, and those who have 0% utilization set in the BOM. Obviously, all requirement is pointed in the Prime Item, but I can change according to availability of material in MDVP or manually in CO02.
When the Production Order is created directly by CO01, without conversion of planned order, the list of components typically brings all the Phantoms, independently of the Probability Use %.
Someone tell me if there is some kind of configuration to allow the Phantoms Optional also be uploaded to the component list of planned orders without having to change the percentage of use in BOM.
Thanks in advance.

Hello MCantos,
When you have maintained the usage probability as 0% for a alternative component, that means you do not want that partular material to be planned further. In short this is just an Engineering Relevant Material (is not required in Production activity).
When this alternate material with usage probability 0% is phantom material, you want its components to be proposed. But you yourself have answered that this phantom material has usage probability 0% and this means it is not required in Production and thus its components as well are not required. Thus system is not exploding the BOM and proposing the material at the time of Production activity.
Hope I answered your query. Please check your usage probability for phantom assembly part and if required correct the same so that you can achive what you want.
Thanks,
Rahul.

Phantom Assembly Planned Order in APO

Sub : Incorrect quantity and Bucket for component in scenario of Phantom Assembly
Hi Gents,
I am using the Optimizer planning run for a scenario with Phantom assembly.
The master data has been used below
Material u2013 862700 (Finished goods)
1091895 (Phantom assembly maintained for above FG)
Location - 8501
Planning Book - ZAL_SNP_PB_BG
Data View - ZAL_SNP_DV_BGF
Optimizer profile - ZAL_OPT_01
I have entered a demand for above FG on 22.02.2012 and running a optimizer by selecting both FG and Phantom assembly. As a result the optimizer has created the planned order for FG from 18th to 22nd Dec. 2012. The advancement of the planned order is due to production capacity constraint. When i analysed System has created planned order for phantom assembly in last two buckets of the planning book and heneceforth the component requirement it is appearing only on last 2 buckets of the planning book. The date for this dependent demand is 28th and 29th Feb.2012 and the quantity is also wrong for the components as per the BOM.
The result I am expecting as system should create the planned order and dependent demand for the component maintain below phantom assembly should be same FG planed order date and quantity of component should also give the right requirement as per the BOM.
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Rajesh patil

HI Ipsita,
Did you try running it form SE38.
SE38 because in SE37 it is not necessary to give all the parameters..
But in SE38 you need to pass all the values required & Check form there.
Also you can check the details in PLAF-Table.
Thanks & regards,
Dileep .C

Planned order is not creating for a phantom assembly

Dear experts
My fert having two semi finished components
first semifinished is assigned with a raw material
And second semifinished is assigned with two different raw material
in material master of second semifinished mrp2 view Special procurement=50
and after running mrp, second semifinished is not getting any planned order or dep requirement all the raw material under this getting planned order
But in my understanding of phantom second semifinished in should not get any planned order?
Am i correct?
Pls advise me where i need to check
Abu Fathiam

Hi,
Phantom assembly will generate planned order for its component when you will maintain:
Procurement type: E
Special procurement type: 50
Also in SPRO: OPPQ BOM explosion
Also check in BOM In basic data tab
In MRP Data screen, check explosion type- are you maintained phantom assembly off? Check it if you want planned order.
If you don't want system generated planned order for your phantom assembly component you should not maintain this indicator.
Regards,
Alok Tiwari
Edited by: Alok Kumar Tiwari on Feb 29, 2012 11:38 AM
Edited by: Alok Kumar Tiwari on Feb 29, 2012 11:39 AM

Phantom assembly quantity change in production order

Hello experts,
We are producing 1 type of goods, but for 2 different customers. each of them has their own specification for packaging. as per system it was decided to not create another finished goods partnumber with additional BOM, but instead we created 2 phantom assemblies in 1 BOM. 1 of them is the main (for customer 1), another one is alternative (for customer 2).
Now the idea was that whenever Purchasing is maintaining materials in production orders they were supposed to switch quantity from main phantom assembly to alternative phantom assembly whenever goods were required for customer 2.
We quickly tested the possibility of quantity change on our test server, but not entirely. the thing is, that for some reason you can change phantom assembly required quantity only if it's already has required quantity higher than 0. otherwise the item is greyed out and you can't perform any changes in it.Same happens if you simply reduce required quantity of phantom assembly item to 0. once you do so - the item becomes greyed out as well.
So, the question is - is it some kind of settings in BOM\MMD that prevents user from changing quantities for phantom assemblies (and if it is - where exactly you can change it), or it's something else (like i dunno, maybe user authorization issue or something).
Any help will be appreciated.
P.S. - i know that you can still simply remove entire item from production order and put it back with quantities and etc., but that way of work has higher risk of making a mistake.
BR
VE

Dear ,
Couple of points on this issue which may help you understand the problem : Bom Explosion With Phantom Assemblies will happen based on the following set up .
1. You need to maintain the special procurement key-50 for the phantom Assembly
in the MRP 2 View of the material master
2. We can override the Phantom Assembly Setting by defining in SPRO --->
Define Explosion Types so that MRP Creates Procurement Propasals for the
Phantom Assembly itself.ie We can Swith off the Phantom Assembly Settings.
This settting need to be defined in the BOM Item details screen in the Basic
Data Tab Page under MRP Area.
So check in your Bom whether switch off phantom assembly is defined.Make the Explosion Type-Blank
3.Run MRP Single Item - Multi level - Transaction MD02 with Planning Mode 2 : 'Re-explode BOM and Routing'. The Phantom Item will now get exploded correctly in the Planned Order.
4.Check the Validity of the BOM and planning date
5.Check the MRP4 set up in FG where you have kept the BOM/Routing selection
6.Check wether dependent requirement material master -MRP4 view -MRP for Depent Requ should be blank .
Check the above points and come back
Regards
JH
Edited by: Jiaul Haque on Jun 14, 2010 2:15 PM
Edited by: Jiaul Haque on Jun 14, 2010 2:18 PM

Phantom Assembly not exploding in production order

Hi All,
We are using phantom assembly as a BOM component.
When we create a planed order from MD03 or MD02 and try to convert this planed order to production order the components of Phantom assembly are not explode in production order. When I tried with read PP master data option it get explode.
Can you please let me know the reason?
Thanks,
SAP PQ

Dear ,
Couple of points on this issue which may help you understand the problem : Bom Explosion With Phantom Assemblies will happen based on the following set up .
1. You need to maintain the special procurement key-50 for the phantom Assembly
in the MRP 2 View of the material master
2. We can override the Phantom Assembly Setting by defining in SPRO --->
Define Explosion Types so that MRP Creates Procurement Propasals for the
Phantom Assembly itself.ie We can Swith off the Phantom Assembly Settings.
This settting need to be defined in the BOM Item details screen in the Basic
Data Tab Page under MRP Area.
So check in your Bom whether switch off phantom assembly is defined.Make the Explosion Type-Blank
3.Run MRP Single Item - Multi level - Transaction MD02 with Planning Mode 2 : 'Re-explode BOM and Routing'. The Phantom Item will now get exploded correctly in the Planned Order.
4.Check the Validity of the BOM and planning date
5.Check the MRP4 set up in FG where you have kept the BOM/Routing selection
6.Check wether dependent requirement material master -MRP4 view -MRP for Depent Requ should be blank .
Check the above points and come back
Regards
JH
Edited by: Jiaul Haque on Jun 14, 2010 2:15 PM
Edited by: Jiaul Haque on Jun 14, 2010 2:18 PM

Phantom Assemblies in APO

Hi All,
Our current customer has a BOM structure with many phantom assemblies. We are assessing if this structure make create any problem in terms of both planning and system performance in APO. So, my questions are;
1) Are there any disadvantages or restrictions of using phantom assemblies in SNP/PPDS?
2) Does these levels reduce the performance of the system, although phantom assemblies will not be planned but will be used to transfer the requirement from upper level to lower level?
Any comment is appreciated.
Thanks,
Ergul

Thanks Kiran for your comments. It is good to hear you did not experience any problem.
In this case the next question is that the phantom materials increase the number of products in APO and thus does this create performance problems? How many location products did you plan in SNP/PPDS and how many of them were phantom? Since phantoms are used much in your project, there might be high number of components in BOMs. So, how many items per BOM, and how many finished products did you plan in APO on average? Actually I want to know about the limits of the APO without having performance problems. This is critical because the number of workcenters to be planned in APO will be affected by the BOM structure in APO.
In our case the number of phantoms in a BOM is around 80 and they are mostly until the 3rd level in the BOM (total # of items in a BOM is around 2500, just to give an idea). Since there are too many phantoms in the first two levels the number of parts to be planned in APO increases directly. I know that APO will not plan phantoms, requirements will be transferred to lower level, but do you think we should consider the phantom assemblies while setting a limit for the number of items per BOM to plan in APO?
Any comments on the sizing of the master data in APO is appreciated (both with and without phantom).
Thanks in advance,
Ergul

Problem with Phantom Assembly

Hi expert,
I have question with BOM and production process. In packaging industry, At start we have 8 components for finish goods. but recently, 2 component 0020 and 0030 (example bottle cap and sticker) will issue from warehouse for assembly process before return to warehouse. then re-issue to use for finish goods.
usually component 0020 and 0030 will convert to another component or change to semi-finish goods.i must create this BOM , Routing , and Open Production Order.and change component in finish goods,
if i not create BOM , Routing , and open Production Order. but create new component as semi-finish goods for item from assembly process to use in finish goods BOM as phantom assembly.
how is my resolution, possible or impossible? , will be any problem in the future. any advise is good.
regards,
kittisak.

Hi,
There are 2 possibilities in this case.
If you do not want to make stock of your HALB then make this as Phantom and include the assembly operations (manufacturing operations) in the header level material so that the activities will be captured at the Time of FERT confirmations.
If you want to make a track of the stock for re issue from Warehouse then no other way.
You should maintain it as HALB with BOM nad Routing, Pl. Order and Production Order route to capture the stocks and issue it to FERT production.
Hope this clarifies..
Regards,
Siva

Pull list for the component of the phantom assembly

Hi
I am in rem process. while doing the pull list for the fianl product using Entry with bom explosion.
i did not get the components (level 3)for 1 assembly(level 2 ) which is phantom one under the final product (level 1) BOM.
i also maintained the production stor loc for the components and the phantom assmy.
i check the stock in the production storage location . no stock is there in the location.
what is the problem . how to get the component of the phantom in the pull list.

Dear Raj,
If your FERT contains a HALB and inturn this HALB contains say HALB1 which is a phantom assembly
and and another 2 raw materials means,when you execute MF60 For HALB,you will get the 2 raw
materials along with the component's of phantom assembly.
Check and revert back.
Regards
Mangalraj.S

Phantom assembly

I want to understand phantom assembly concept..
I have gone through sdn and find this answer to be understandable..
Phantom Assembly:
A logical grouping of materials.
A phantom assembly is created in engineering to describe a number of components and manage them
as a whole. The components in a phantom assembly are immediately placed in the superior assembly.
Components in an assembly are first assembled to produce the header material. Then header material
is placed in the superior assembly.
Example
The phantom assembly "set of wheels" contains the components "front wheel" and "rear wheel." The front and rear wheels are immediately placed in the "bicycle" assembly. The "light" assembly contains the materials "bulb" and "reflector." The light components are first assembled and then the light is attached to the bicycle.
Settings to be done:
For configurations settings goto OPPQ for maintaining the values of special.key
Special procurement key value 50 must be set in the MRP2 view of the material master.
For the materials for which sp.procurement value 50 is set the system creates the planned orders and
purchase requisitions for the components of the phantom assembly.
Regards
Mangalraj.S
But can anybody tell me, In the above where should we maintain the sp prc key 50.. In the fron wheel or in the rear wheel...
Pls explain me..

Hi,
"In the above where should we maintain the sp prc key 50.. In the fron wheel or in the rear wheel..."
For this you need to create an logican assy new mat no in MMR.ex: xxxxx for which components are rear wheel - Rxxx, front wheel - Fxxx ..
Assign 50 in mrp 2 view of assy xxxxx material .
now this xxxxx material is phantom assy.
when you run MRP for FG this phantom assy will get explode and dependent req will be created for Rxxx and Fxxx directly with out creating planned order for xxxxx mat..
come back futher if you have any doubt.
regards
vinoth

Phantom Assembly Reporting Point Backflush - Not able to backflush

We are unable to generate a backflush of the assembly components of a phantom assembly. The backflush indicator in the operation have been activated and the components involved are production relevant.
In the material master, i believe the REM Profile has been set correctly to allow for backflushing of the asseblies.
Am I overlooking something to have this work properly?
Any thoughts are much appreciated!
Thanks All!

Dear suntevea,
Generally Production confirmation is not made for phantom assemblies either in Discrete or REM scenario.
So once when you do the confirmation for the upper level assembly where this phantom assembly is used
as a component,then at this point the good's issue(backflush) will be happening for the component's of the
phantom assembly.
Eg : Material A is a phantom assembly which is made up of components say B & C.
Again material A is a component for making another assembly say X,so when you do the backflushing in
MFBF for material X,you can see the components B & C are getting issued,which means Good's issue will
be happening for B & C,261 movement.
I hope you will be clear with the concept.
Revert back if you need any further assistance.
Regards
Mangalraj.S

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