Please Apple, fix Safari color-management

Hey,
I was very happy with the SL update and following 10.6.2 regarding color management under OS X.
The problem is that Safari's own color management is broken. It reverts any untagged content to Monitor RGB. This is a huge problem on wide gamut monitors as they'll render over saturated colors (almost neon-like).
Apple should follow Mozilla's steps and see what they did with Firefox 3.6. It manages all colored content (whether it's images or CSS colors) and reverts everything to the ICC monitor profile you set on your preferences.
I cannot rely on Safari (or Chrome for that matter) anymore.
I know this issue is well-known and was reported before, but Apple has to fix this.
-F

HI,
Best to put a bug in Apple's ear...
From the Safari Menu Bar click Safari/Report Bugs to Apple.
They will not respond but developers do read the reports.
Carolyn

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Safari Color Management

I am running Mac OS X Version 10.4.9 with a dual monitor set up.
Both are Eizo monitors, a Flexscan 1731 and a Coloredge CG 221. Since I've replaced my CRT Barco monitor with the CG221, I've seen huge color differences between Photoshop and Safari.
I finally realized the differences I see between Photoshop and Safari is that my working space is sRGB, while the monitor's profile (which it seems that Safari assigns to the web) is Adobe 1998. Since Eizo's CG221 has a larger gamut than the Barco monitor and my Flexscan S1731 (which are sRGB monitors), the drastic differences between Safari and Photoshop are more apparent on the CG221.
Eizo's solution is to calibrate emulating the sRGB space, which is possible with Color Navigator. But this does not sound like the best solution for me. Why should I clip the monitor profile? This would mean the only way to see my monitor's full gamut is to re-calibrate.
So now my question is, are there any browsers available with color management settings? It'd make sense if I could calibrate my monitor at it's full gamut and have a browser which converts to a working space instead of assigning the monitor profile, or which at least honors embedded profiles.
I must also note Eizo's suggestion of recalibrating to the sRGB space seems incorrect, because even if I worked in Adobe 1998 most webpages would display incorrectly (except my own which would have images with Adobe 1998 embedded). Even when I view Apple's website colors appear oversaturated, especially in skin tones.
Any help and feedback is highly appreciated.

An interesting problem indeed. It sort of emphasizes the lack of color management on the WEB.
The commonly recommended workaround, to calibrate all monitors to something close to sRGB is suddenly outdated when monitors can display a gamut outside of the sRGB range.
To clarify your problem a bit.
Safari uses the monitor color space as working space, always. This is not necessarily a problem, as long as images gets converted into the monitor color space when they are opened. However, this does not happen when the image does not have a color profile. Correct but inconvenient.
In Photoshop you can choose the working space. Best is if the working space is the same as the target space. Thus, if you work with WEB publishing choose sRGB. If you work with printing choose your printers color space etc.
But Photoshop will also have a problem if images does not have a color profile, unless the image has an EXIF tag, indicating that the image is in for instance sRGB color space. Photoshop is intelligent enough to understand this, because most digital cameras produce images without color profile but with the EXIF color space tag. In case there is no color profile, and no EXIF color space tag, Photoshop will, depending on your color preference settings, ask you to assign a colorspace or automatically assign working space, which could be whatever.
There are possible solutions to your problem.
1. If you publish WEB sites and want to browse them correctly, using your very expensive monitor without lobotomizing it's capabilities. Use Safari or other color managed browser and follow the two rules of image publishing for the WEB
Rule 1) Images on the web should be published in sRGB color space (otherwise they will not be displayed correctly in browsers on the MS-Windows platforms, with the exception of Safari, viewing images with a color profile)
Rule 2) Images should have a color profile, in particular the sRGB images (otherwise they will not be displayed correctly on the MacOS platforms. Maybe close to correct if you have calibrated your monitor to PC-gamma)
For a test, go to http://www.gballard.net/psd/golive_pageprofile/embeddedJPEGprofiles.html
2) If you want to browse WEB sites, created by people who did not follow the second rule, that is most WEB-sites, and by the way, includes parts of the Apple WEB site.
Do the following: In Safari, Safari Menu/Report Bugs to Apple - include the following statement.
Dear Safari development team. Most WEB sites on the internet does not display properly in Safari, due to the fact that most WEB publishers are unaware of that they should include color profiles in their images. Today, Safari effectively disables color management when the color profile is missing, a correct but not very practical approach. In reality, most images published on the WEB are in fact sRGB or close to that but without a color profile. In order to enhance the WEB experience for the vast community of Safari users, could you PLEASE include at least the option in Safari, to "Assume sRGB for WEB colors". Since Safari is already color managed, it should mean only a few lines of code in the Safari application.
I did this, but probably we need a lot of users to complain before it gets fixed. It has been like this for ever, but I really expected it to be fixed in Safari 3.
See also http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5204498&#5204498 and http://www.tomasjonsson.eu for more information
Tomas

Help please. Vista / CS3 Color Managment issue. Going nuts...

Hi all.
I'm in desperate need for some assistance since time is running out on a project that needs Powerpoint.
If I use color management in Bridge and look at my NEF and Jpegs they look somewhat desaturated and lacking vibrance as in comparison to another program, like AcdSee.
When i open up in Camera Raw, and then Photoshop, it looks the same. But hwen I copy to Powerpoint - it looks very vibrant and with a lot of saturation, luminance and hue. But it looks much better "eyecatching".
If I shut of color correction in Bridge, then the picture looks just as vibrant and nice as the end result in powerpoint and it looks just as good as in AcdSee! But the steps in between, that is Camera Raw and Adobe looks awful, and I'm supposed to make some color adjustments etc, making it absolutely impossible to know what the end resutl will be, since the color management is ON in Camera Raw and Photoshop.
I've callibrated my monitor, spyder3, I've set Adobe Bridge to use CS3 for monitor. I've tried alternating between Adobe RGB and sRGB. I've tried everything there is, but the colors in Camera Raw and Phtoshop are very wrong in relation to the end result. Can I shut down color management in Photoshop? Change it to Vista's? I know Adobe is right at the end of the day, it just doesn't work with the end result!
To add on to this, I've tried AcdSee and colors are correct in the RAW format. Thus, they don't have the same color correction and this looks exactly like the end result in the powerpoint.

>> the colors in Camera Raw and Phtoshop are very wrong in relation to the end result
Then you need to Photoshop> Convert to profile> Save As to the profile based on the end result because the end result sounds like an unmanaged application.
This is likely sRGB -- have you tried this?
What monitor, what did you profile it to (2.2 gamma/6500)?
http://www.gballard.net/psd/assignconvert.html

Please Apple Fix Itunes Backup!

I have been waiting for four hours to backup, when I could be using my Ipad.
I have been a windows pc user most of life and what drew me to now be a Mac Owner, Itouch Owner, and now a Ipad Owner was the ease of using your product except Itunes Backup and Sync.
Please give me some options like incremental, full, time to do back up, the ability to have a option to turn off backup when I connect to my Mac, Ipad, etc.
I have never even written to Microsoft once, because I didn't care.
I love Macintosh now and I am getting rid of all my Windows Machines for Macintosh. Please, change this horrible backup software to something more usable.
Thanks
Dennis in Las Vegas

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Please Apple...
Dennis ~ Welcome to the discussions. You're not talking to Apple here — we're all just users like yourself. To send feedback to Apple about iTunes app, use this form:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html
...And there are forms for other Apple products here:
http://www.apple.com/feedback

Please apple fix it

every time i want to download an app something appears and it says that theres a billing problem with a previos purchase and im stuck with it for 3 months and i dont even have a credit card and i didnt purchase anythin i swear i only download free apps and now i have 43 updates and i want to download clash of clan my sister once gave me her user to download temple run 2 but shes not telling me her password so please fix it apple

You are not addressing Apple here. This is a user-to-user support forum.
As you do not have a credit card follow these instructions to Create an account without a credit card.
Contact iTunes Support if you require further assistance.

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MY IPAD IS STUCK FOR ALMOST ONE DAY.. LAST NIGHT I TRIED TO INSTALL THE LATEST IS UPDATE WHICH IS IOS 6.1 BUT THEN MY IPAD2 TURNED OFF AND THE ITUNES LOGO AND USB CABLE CAME OUT ON THE SCREEN SO I TRIED TO CONNECT IT TO MY ITUNES ON MY COMPUTER AND IT SAYS RECOVERY MODE SO I CLICKED OK BUT THEN IT ALWAYS END UP CORRUPTED... AND IM CONNECTED TO MY INTERNET 24/7...I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO...I HOPE APPLEWILL FIX THIS AS OSOON AS POSSIBLE...SO DISAPPOINTED!! PLEASE HELP ANYONE... BEEN TRYING TO RECOVERY MODE OVER 150 TIMES...

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3.While pressing and holding the Home button, reconnect the USB cable to the device. The device should turn on.
4. Continue holding the Home button until you see the "Connect to iTunes" screen. When this screen appears, release the Home button. iTunes should alert you that it has detected a device in recovery mode. Click OK, and then click Restore to restore the device.
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for Lightroom? I have read a lot of post concerning
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Thank You
Tom

I have read a lot of post concerning poor print colors from Lightroom, at the very least Lightroom should allow any printer to manage the color.
I agree, but it doesn't let the Canon S9000 or HP D7460, it will not let these printers manage the color,the colors come out muddy looking when I manage by printer. I assume these two printers do not have paper profiles because nothing shows in the profile list. I'm not an expert on printing but I can get decent prints out of any other software I use except from Lightroom. As for the sRGB it would be better then nothing and that is what I have now. I have tried using other profiles with limited success.
I have given up trying to print from Lightroom, to bad because all the other modules work fine.

Color managing Safari 4.0.3

I read Safari is automatically color managed and it is linked to the ICC profile the display is using.
I use a colorimeter for monitor calibration and my display profile is set to that created profile. Am I getting accurate colors with Safari? I just want to be able to view sRGB correctly.

HI,
This thread might offer some insight.
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Safari - colour management

Hello!
I've purchased and calibrated my monitor using an X-rite Eye One Display 2.
I'm pretty sure my Safari is not colour managed, as I have turned on colour management in Firefox and when I compare both, the colours look significantly different.
Is there a setting somewhere for Safari to turn colour management on/off?
Thanks.

You could easily just pick another profile for your monitor, but that would be wrong, and it would not solve the problem. The only correct profile for your monitor is the one generated to represent your monitor's behavior and target and you have already done that. If you change your monitor profile to some other profile not related to your monitor, to try and fix Safari, the only result will be to screw up Aperture, Photoshop, and all the other programs that are doing color management correctly.
There are three ways to try and fix the Safari problem.
1. Try re-calibrating but this time set your gamma to 2.2 instead of 1.8 and use the resulting profile. This might actually be enough. I have used my Eye One to calibrate all my Macs to gamma 2.2.
2. Embed profiles in the images you view. If the problem is with images outside of your control, then there is nothing you can do here.
3. Wait for Apple to fix Safari so that it stops the unhelpful behavior of assuming the monitor profile for untagged images.
Safari color management is a subject of intense debate.
http://webkit.org/blog/73/color-spaces/
http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/02/14/this-is-your-mac-on-drugs/

HT204409 I keep seeing "change my router" as a solution to wifi problems, I cannot change hotel routers! ***, please Apple, I have been a big fan but this is crazy, only my Apple products are not working on wifi!

This wifi issue is bad, all other products I have work fine, but my iPad (fully update, re-installed, re-booted, etc...) will not work. Time to return it and switch to another vendor? Many of the solutions I see are change your router. I cannot change a Hotel router, a companies router! Please Apple fix this ASAP prem price and not working!

the iPad should work with most wifi routers. There are some old wife routers it may not. Your ipad coiuld have a hardware problem.
Does it work with some routers? Have you hung out in the lobby of the hotel and asked if other ipad users are having a problem. What does the hotel staff say?
You could carry a mini wifi router with you and connect the mini via ethernet cable.
Find the make and model of the wifi router. We can check if other ipad owners are having problem.
a 4g solution.
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FreedomPop provides 500meg of free 4g cellular data per month! You do need to buy their wireless device at $39. Your machine needs wifi capability. There are ways of getting bonus megs. One gig of addition data costs $10 per month. I used about 15megs per hour of lite internet surfing.
When signing up, you need to be careful with your selections. On some screens, the free option is a small link below the large button. FreedomPop employs a Pavlovian Dog < Operant conditioning > thing of getting you used to clicking on the large button then they change the large button to a paid add-on.
Once you setup your account, you need to go to your account options screen to turn off automatic paid data download once you exceed your quota.
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My Itunes is no longer allowing me to manage my music on my phone i can no longer select on my iphone to make playlists and delete music. Please help fix my problem.

My Itunes is no longer allowing me to manage my music on my phone i can no longer select on my iphone to make playlists and delete music. Please help fix my problem. Iphone4s, 32gigs, IOS 7.1.2
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Safari's Color Management Policies

Hello, I'm a graphic designer from Germany. I've encountered that Safari can handle color management, which is indeed quite up to date. But Safari always assumes that untagged RGB image data has to be translated with the "Generic RGB"-profile (Apple's system profile, right?) instead of sRGB - the official standard color-profile in the web.
Well, that's not a problem at all if every image has a sRGB profile attached. But the only practical web file format handling ICC is the JPEG (PNG works also but is a bit difficult to use thanks to the png-internal gamma "correction" and his chunk of a sRGB-profile). As a result, I'm limited to the JPEG. But the real problem is not only Safari: Macromedia Flash data isn't color managed too, and there is NO WAY of importing images with color-profiles into a Flash movie. Additionally, no browser (except IE5 for Mac) bothers about color management.
To sum things up: Safari handels images with color profiles correctly, but untagged image data is displayed wrong (sRGB is official). IE5 for Mac DOES emulate a sRGB environment in the browser's window. IE5 displays untagged data correctly, it's using sRGB.
I'm not searching for a plug-in for Safari or anything else. The customers, to which my graphics are sold, don't bother about such a plug-in. They want to use Safari right out-of-the-box. As a graphic designer I have two choices:
First, I only use JPEGs and maybe PNGs with color profiles. Firefox for Mac won't care, but at least Safari can translate colors.
The second is, that I always use untagged data and accept that Apple users just see the web a bit lighter. Images without an ICC profile are way smaller, a good reason to abandon profiles at all (by the way, profiles in the web should be obsolete anyway, browsers just have to interpret every RGB-value as sRGB).
My question is, does Apple plan to change Safari's color management policies to a standard sRGB environment or do I really have to see Flash pages an the like a bit lighter than it is intended to be? What is the best way to handle my images? Attach profiles or leave it untagged, so that Windows users (sRGB) will see it correctly and Mac users a bit lighter?
Thanks for any answers that will come! Greetings, Peter.
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Color management issues with Flash CS3, please help?

Hello everyone.
I am having issues with color from a Jpeg image produced in Photoshop CS4
after importing onto the stage in Flash CS3. The color in Flash changes the image to a lighter less saturated state. Yuk.
Here is a link to a screen capture to show you what's happening (for a bigger view):
http://www.rudytorres.com/color/weirdcolor.png
As you can see the front image is the Photoshop image showing the sRGB color profile embedded but Flash (behind) changes that color.
This client is quite picky and she will notice this difference.
If any one can help, please.
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Dougfly,
Only an hour wasted? Lucky you. Color is an incredibly complex subject. First, forget matching anything to the small LCD on the back of your camera. That's there as a basic guide and is affected by the internal jpg algorithm of your camera.
2nd, you're not really takeing a color photo with your digital camera, but three separate B&W images in a mosaic pattern, exposed thru separate red, green and blue filters. Actual color doesn't happen until that matrix is demosaiced in either your raw converter, or the in-camera processor (which relies heavily on camera settings, saturation, contrast, mode, etc.)
Having said the above, you can still get very good, predictable results in your workflow. I have a few color management articles on my website that you might find very helpful. Check out the Introduction to Color Management and Monitor and Printer Profiling. In my opinion, a monitor calibration device is the minimum entry fee if you want decent color.
http://www.dinagraphics.com/color_management.php
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CALENDAR COLORING EVENTS! PLEASE APPLE GIVE US THIS OPTION!

Hello!
I realy like the Calendar app on my iPad. I just have one BIG problem and suggestion. I use PC so I don't have iCal. But I would realy like to give my events a different color. There is only blue color for all events you add on the iPad. This just *****. Please Apple give this option in the Calendar app. Please please!
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Please Apple give this option in the Calendar app.
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http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipad.html

Regarding color picking and color management - can someone, please test this?

Please take a few seconds to test this and let me know the result.
This is with CS5 but probably the same with older versions:
Create a new document and zoom out so that the canvas is smaller than the window.
Change the Standard Screen Mode color to Custom and choose some color, for example gray that is 60 for each R,G, and B.
You can do that in the Interface page of the Preferences or by right clicking on the empty area of the window that is beyond the image's canvas.
Using the eyedropper tool pick the color of that empty area
Press Alt + Delete to fill the canvas with that color.
Do you see a difference between the canvas and that area.
I see a slight difference when the color management preview is on and no difference when it is off (soft proofing using Monitor RGB)
I have some ideas but it will be great of someone can make a clear conclusion and explanation for this behavior.

Thanks for that confirmation, Chris.
Same thing with my apps, though with effort I suppose the colors for the controls and background COULD be put through the color management system at startup time... Lots more complexity though, and that would kind of diverge with the concept of theme selection, not to mention potentially uncovering bugs in the control implementations... And, if the user has gone out of his way to set everything to a pretty shade of blue, and along comes a color-managed dialog that's gone greenish because that's what those color values REALLY mean, that would likely be reported as a bug just because it's different...
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