Please, help with copying the same gradient appearance to another object

For example an ellipse with a simple black to white gradient and then applying the same gradient to an object with a different shape in front of the ellipse in such way that the front object is indistinguishable.
edit: I know how to do that with masking but I'm looking for a better (less complicated) way. It would be perfect if there was a way to find out and apply the position and length of the gradient that appears when the gradient tool is selected.

Actually none of the above message really is the answer but are part of the answer.
Draw a large rectangle closed path and fill it with the gradient then you draw the two shapes and
you group them you can use the effect pathfinder add or use the pathfinder panel and option/alt unite command to make a compound shape
then you use he compund shape as a clipping mask.
theis will allow you to move one of the shapes without disturbing the gradients relative position, similar to displacing and image in a large format view camera.

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