PMS colors in Photoshop to be used in InDesign?

Hi,
I have a logo file that I'm doing in Photoshop that I want to throw into my InDesign document (a gift certificate - I like using ID so that the text is crisp), and this will be printed in 2 PMS colors (metallic gold 873 and green 330) on an offset printer.  If I want to print my logo in PMS gold 873, is it better to use the Pantone library in Photoshop and save as a CMYK file (is that correct?) and then place that file into my ID document?  Or someone told me to make the logo document a grayscale file, up the black in Levels and make sure the K in Info is 100%, flatten and save as a TIFF, place it in ID, then using the direct selection tool, pick the Pantone 873 in ID's swatches to color it in.  When I ask which is "better," I mean final print quality-wise.  The latter route looks a bit "fuzzy" to me when I blow it up in the PDF on-screen, whereas the first route looked sharper to me.  
Thanks,
Jen

Unless your logo requires a photographic element, Photoshop is really one of the worst tools to be using to create a logo, especially if you are having issues with fuzziness.
Illustrator is more often used for logo creation.
If you do not have Illustrator, you can use InDesign to create a logo and export/save the page as an EPS file that can be re-placed in another InDesign document and scaled to any size without fuzziness.

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