Poor Overclock With E4300 And P965 Platinum

I have recently built a Core 2 Duo system based around the P965 Platinum motherboard which I bought based on the excellent reviews it appears to have received.
My system is as follows:
Core 2 Duo E4300 with standard cooler
MSI P965 Platinum
ATI X1900GT
1GB Kingston DDR2 667 Valueram
2xWD 160GB Hard Disks in RAID 0
Antec Sonata II case with Smartpower 450W PSU.
I initially tried overclocking to 266FSB which worked flawlessly. All I did was slow the memory slightly so it wasnt overclocked. It worked beautifully, including Speedstep functionality and in SiSoft Sandra beat the E6600 comfortably which runs at a similar speed.
As soon as I try to go above this speed the system wont boot and all the fans run at their maximum. It doesnt even POST.
I have tried disabling speedstep etc, and increased voltages slightly. I also slowed the memory further so it is running at 1:1 ratio (532MHz at 266FSB), but I still cannot get past 266FSB.
Any suggestions?
I also note that the board does the strange start-stop thing from cold, and if it has been left off for a long time the screen is scrambled when I start it. Any suggestions on these?
Cheers,
James

Quote from: EagleDM on 07-February-07, 07:12:21
You're not alone..
My fighting with this motherboard began the first moment I put my brand new E4300.
This is the absoluto WORST motherboard in the Galaxy for the E4300, and the reasons, I should explain shortly (I hope someone at MSI is reading this and DO SOMETHING about it)
The short version:
There are 3 straps for configuring the speed of each processor on the Intel family.
the 800 strap, the 1066 strap and the 1333 strap,  these are the straps working on the 4000 and 6000 family of core2
When you're in the 1066 strap, the motherboard configures the PCI lock correctly and you can safely clock the board from 266 to even 370 or 450 in some cases with the latest BIOS and good MCP voltage... but.
When you're in the 800 strap like me (all E4300 are in the 800 strap)  the motherboard incorrectly identify the information and it simply DOES NOT LOCK the PCI bus speed correctly...
Conclusion:  when you excede 266 Mhz speed you already have the PCI clocked so far away from the standard speed, that really is a divine grace that the motherboard boots.. and if it does.. you will have a corrupted HD or you may even lost some PCI card to this.. so... it is really DANGEROUS to set any speed higher than 240-250 for this strap on this motherboard.
Sure, there are alternatives you may ask... yes,  all gigabyte motherboards and the P5B series correcly identify the 800 strap (200fsb) and Lock the PCI so you can overclock to hell with that one... not on this motherboard.
There IS an alternative... the alternative is to PIN MOD the processor (remember the Conductive Pen?) to FORCE the motherboard into believeing that you have in effect, a 266 (1066Mhz) processor and then, configuring the strap accordingly..
well... no.
It works on the 99% of the motherboards I tried (yes, I did that mod succesfully and unlocked the 1066 strap, booting with 266 bus on a P5B, a 680i SLI and even a 570 SLI motherboard,  with a MINIM clock of 3.2Ghz, what do you think?)
BUT
and is a very great BUT,  NOT with this motherboard.
For some brilliant idea of the MSI engineers, the motherboard start up at 266Mhz and then it clearly tells you that this is in fact a 200Mhz processor,  then, a BIOS halt ocurred and you have a corrupted CMOS setup,  the only way to stop from losing the motherboard is to install another processor and re-flash it...
so even forcing a 1066Mhz strap is a NO GO with this motherboard that REFUSES to take information from the SAME PINOUT the rest of the motherboard makers follow to regulation and in fact WORKS and reads the information from the clock the processor gives, so.. we are stuck with a NO GO situation.
The latest bios i tried is the 3.6 bios (BETA) and this problem persist.
So,  with the P965 the long story became short at the end,  we are stuck in the WORST of the Galaxy motherboard for E4300 overclocking till MSI at least give us the freedom to choose the strap or just use the one that is detected. Until then...  that's it.
I hope this message reaches MSI,  I work for a hardware page that do reviews and you can imagine what I should say about this motherboard....
Daniel / MaximoPC
www.maximopc.org
Thanks, that does make sense based on what I am seeing.
Is there a way of confirming the PCI bus speed is increasing with clock speed?
This seems like it should be simple for MSI to sort?

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