Poor quality after timeline rendering of after effects dynamic link comp.

One of my typical workflows involves dynamic linking AE comps into Premiere- Often I can playback the timeline in Premiere without rendering and achieve great results with no dropped frames. This scenario is ideal since I need to play out sequences in premiere passing them through a Matrox MXO2 LE box to capture them on another system. However, I have noticed recently that if I need to render the Premiere sequences before playback because the dynamically linked AE comps are more complicated, I lose quite a bit of quality after rendering.I've searched around and read about different quality settings in both AE and PP and I can't seem to find any settings that affect this process. Pause and playback quality are both set to full, tried checking rendered maximum depth/quality in the sequence settings and I still can't get this right. I am perplexed since I would think that results would be better post-render.
Dynamic Linked Clip Unrendered
Dynamic Linked Clip Rendered:
-A note about my settings:
AE comps:
720x480 (containing downscaled HD video)
PAR: D1/DV NTSC (.91)
29.97fps
Resolution full 720x480 1.3 MB per 8bpc frame
PP Sequences:
720x480 (.9091)
29.97p
WINDOWS 7 - Adobe CC
Intel Xeon(R) 12 cores 2.40ghz
Nvidia Quadro 4000
12g RAM

The video preview settings were set to DV NTSC. I'm not sure why I didn't think to look at those settings. I went ahead and downloaded the Ut Video Codec Suite and things are now looking great - just like they do when I do not render the sequences. I am noticing now that my HD sequences usually are setup to use Matrox's Mpeg2 I frames only codec.
Is the lossless codec choice always the best/most efficent choice to be used for the preview codec? I assume if I was not dynamic linking I should match this codec with the codec of the files in my sequence, is this correct?

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