Populate setup table impact on delta loading
Hi Expert,
For a ECC standard data source supporting delta mode; Taking 2lis_03_bf for example, now DSO A is loading data from 2lis_03_bf; but there are new requirement need to load the history data from this data source. So i want to populate the setup table of 2lis_03_bf and then make a full upload to another DSO B. If i do this, any impact on delta loading to DSO A ?
In my opinion, populating the setup table is not impact on the delta loading data to DSO A ! Because delta loading is related to Delta Queue and full upload is related to setup table.
Thanks,
Dragon
Hi Draco,
Are you in 3.x or 7.0 version?
This scenario needs to be addressed diffferently based on the version.
If its 3.x version, then you need to create a full repair request (Overwrite mode in DSO A) and load the data into two targets
or
Create a full update infopack, remove tick from data target tab for DSO A and load to DSO B.
If 7.x version.
Create a full upload info pack and extract the data into PSA and using the new DTP from PSA to DSO B.
Create another DTP on PSA to DSO A and do the inti without data transfer and run regular deltas. If you dont do this, then the DTP for DSO a will pick up the full update request from PSA in delta run.
Gurus: what are your comments on this approach?
thanks
Srikanth
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