Positive & Negative Time Recording.
Hi all,
Could anybody explain about the positive & negative time recording ( with clock times & without clock times )
In which situations with clock times and without clock times are used in negative time management.
Thanks in advance
Regards
Sujana
Time Management can be bifurcated types:
1. Positive Time (+ve Time) Positive time is plays the total role of workflow. All the processes related to time are automatically gets executed in the background. E.g., in our case it is done only partially to validate the attendance as per punches and other documents with shift timing and generate absence automatically in case of any discrepancy.
2. Negative Time (-ve Time) Where the all time related activities like validation of the attendance, posting of absence for wage deduction etc are done manually. It has less level of integration among the different components of time management.
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Positive & Negative Time Management
Dear Seniors,
What is positive & negative time management? Which time management status do we use for these?
What r time pairs & where can these be configured?
Thx & Regards
WARNED-> No more basic questions please.Hi,
Positive time is plays the total role of workflow. All the processes related to time are automatically gets executed in the background. E.g., in our case it is done only partially to validate the attendance as per punches and other documents with shift timing and generate absence automatically in case of any discrepancy.
.Negative Time (-ve Time) ? Where the all time related activities like validation of the attendance, posting of absence for wage deduction etc are done manually. It has less level of integration among the different components of time management.
Positive Time Management we have two types of recordings:
1. With Clock times - Complete time recording is captured
2. With out Clock times - Only Number of hourse worked is captured
Negative time Management:
1. No clock times and assumed employee is working unless and until his or her absences are entered.
Regards,
Tarun -
Hi Experts,
Kindly guide me the configuration steps for negative time recording.
Thanks in advance,
RiyaConfiguration of Time Management
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Cheers!
KV -
Hi gurus!
I would like to know the difference between Positive time management and negative time management.
thx & regards,
rajuHi Nagaraju,
I am adding more information..
Whether or not an employee is on positive or negative time is determined by the time management status on IT0007. Status 1 or 2 = positive time; status 9 = negative time.
In a standard system, positive time recording means the employee is required to record time (absence or attendance) for any day on which he is scheduled to work according to his generated work schedule. Negative time recording means an employee does not need to record time unless he has an exception to his normal working time; so absences are typically recorded as well as overtime or time work on days for which the employee is not scheduled to work.
Schema TM00 is used to process positive time employees for whom clock times are entered; that is, every record has a start and end time.
Schema TM04 processes both positive and negative time employees. The key distinction between TM00 and TM04 is TM04 does not require start and end times on every entry. Records with start and end times cna be processed in TM04. However, the records do not require these entries.
In TM04 you will see code using IF, ELSE, ENDIF statements during the import process to separate the import of time data for positive and negative time employees.
Positive time employees use the following data import statements in the schema:
P2011 Import IT2011 records to TIP; regardless of whether the EE has IT2011, load the work schedule to TZP. If no IT2011 record exists, TIP is empty.
P2001 Load absences
P2002 Load attendances
Negative time employees use the following data import statements:
P2000 This is the critical difference between positive and negative employees. P2000 loads the daily work schedule to the TIP table as if the employee workede; that is, if the employee is scheduled to work from 8:00 to 17:00, this record will now appear on TIP. The work schedule details are also added to TZP.
P2001 Load absences -- to pick up exceptions to planned working time
P2002 Load attendances -- again to pick up exceptions, special costing information, overtime, alternate payments, premiums or any other variation from normal schedule work.
So if you want to determine if you are using positive or negative time, check the time management status on the employees.
Regards
Siva -
Comparison of Positive Vs Negative Time Mgt
Hi Gurus,
Please elaborate on the advantages of Negative Time mgt against Positive Time management.
Edited by: Raman1986 on Dec 11, 2011 8:01 AMHi Raman,
Postive Time Mgmt :
Recording of actual time of the employee.
Attendance will be considered in +ve time mgmt.
Eg : Employee doesnt mark his attendance for a particular day, ll be treated as absence at the time of payroll run.
Negative Time Mgmt :
Absences only be considered for the employee.
Absence data will be given to Payroll.
Eg : If an emplyee has applied leave for 2 days, working days 26 - Absence days 2 = 24 as actual working days at the payroll run.
Note : Positive time mgmt may be very usefull in manufacturing/production sectors to capture accurate working hours. Late Arrival etc..
Regards
Hari Prasath -
Negative time management to positive time management
Hi Experts
our client is following negative time management now. They would
like to implement positive time management from now onwards.
please suggest how i'll do this for my client.
ThanksHi,
Firstly, your client has to decide how the entry exit timings of the employees are going to be captured, and then load them into SAP. The timevents will be updated in IT2011.
One way is to have a third party capture all the events from recording terminals located on the site, have a RFC to get these events to SAP. The time events can then be uploaded into the infotype table TEVEN (IT2011). These programs shud also be scheduled in the backgrnd to run either daily or after sum intervals of time.
In config,
You will have to change the groupings of PS & EE for time recording,
Change the time management status for these employees,
change the feature TMSTA to default the same status for new employees to be hired.
Maintain IT0050 for all employees. (necessary for +ve time)
Change the grouping for Attendance / Absence types
Have to check whether system reactions for time pair formations in system are as per clients requirements
Modify the time mangement schema (with clock times) according to the requirement.
Schedule a background job so that time evaluation is run for all employees once a day. (usually scheduled during the night)
These are some of the changes that I can think about right now hope this is helpful.
Regards,
Shreyasi. -
Huge volume of records are routing to the remote user other than his position and organization records. Synchronization and DB initialization taking more time around 36 hours.
Actual accounts & contacts need to be route around 2000 & 3000 but we have observed lakhs of records routing into local DB.
We have verified all the Assignment Rules, Views.
We ran docking object visibility rules and we have observed that some other accounts are routing due to Organization rule passing. (these records are not supposed to route).
Version Siebel 7.7.2.12,
OS Solaris.let me know what would be the reason that 1st million takes only 15 minuts and the time goes on increasing gradually with the increase of dataYes that's a little strange. I only can guess:
1. You are in archivelog mode and the Archiver is not able to archive the redo logs fast enough
2. You don't use Direct Load and DBWR ist not able to write the direty block to disk fast enough. You could create more DBWR processes in that case.
3. Make a snapshot of v$system_event:
create table begin as select * from v$system_event;After the import run
create table end as select * from v$system_event;Now compare the values:
select * from begin order by TIME_WAITED_MICRO descwith the values given you by
select * from end order by TIME_WAITED_MICRO descSo you can look where your DB spent so much time waiting for something.
Alternativly, you could start a 10046 trace on the loading session and use tkprof.
Dim -
Negative time evaluation and IT0007
Hello Experts,
i have this condition in a PCR, where an employee with time management "1" (positive time evaluation) gets transportation allowance on attendance type days like "business meetings out of office" and "trainings", but this is done according to employee-specific indicator in IT0050. (It depends if he takes a bus (no transportation allowance) *or* transportation is generated per working day + attendance days)
I need to know if an employee with time management status "9" (negative time evaluation) how can i maintain the PCR to read according to the Indicator field in IT0050??? (N: employee doesn't take a bus, Y: employee takes a bus i.e no transportation allowance generated)
i.e:
matrix decision tree.
1. does the employee have 9?
1.1 what does he have in IT0050
1.1.1 he has Y
1.1.2 he has N.....etc
1.1.2.1 does he have an attendance type?
1.1.2.1.1 Yes
1.1.2.1.2 No
2. does the employee have 1?
2.1 what does he have in IT0050
2.1.1 he has Y
2.1.2 he has N.....etc
2.1.2.1 does he have an attendance type?
What is the operation to identify the "time management status" if +ve or -ve ??
what is the operation to identify what do we have in IT0050 as an indicator??
Edited by: Lara Hassanieh on Jun 6, 2011 11:29 AMHi Vivek
The workschedule is from 8-17 with a 1 hr upiad break.
The below screenshot is the output TIP entry after rule T002 (overtime after 8 hrs.).
The next screenshot created overtime wagetype for processing type N
Basically i havent even entered the OT and it is paying based on the work schedule. The requirement is that it shouldnt pay that 1 break hour as OT. But if i enter any OT in that hour then it should pay it. We are using negative time eval and copy of schema TM04. We only record exceptions. Please help -
Clock in and Out - Negative TIm MGT
Hi FRds,
Can we maintin the Clock and clock out In Negative Time Management.
As of client is in Negative Tim MGt. .. But now i says that he wants to maintain the Clock in and Out From Time Recording System.
Please suggest for the above ..
Thanks & Regards
KRC.Hi Sri,
In Positive Tim Can we capture the absenses without any Manuall Interaction.
Ex: 1) If the employee is absent for 2day, the quato is available for only 1 day. than the system should automatically has to be deduced one day under Quota and other as a LOP. Can this is be done ( automatically)
Can u plz update me with some documents or link which helps in Configuring this Postive Tim.
What are the steps to be considered before staring '+ ive' TIM MGT Configuration.
Thanks in advance
KRC. -
How does the system identifies whether we use Psotive or Negative Time Mngt
Dear All,
How does the system identifies whether we use Psotive or Negative Time Management.
Appreciate your early response.
Regards
RajeshHi
1. In positive time management we record the actual time of the employee working in organization and following are the infotypes we need to maintain in master data,
1. Organztion Assignement [0001]
2. Personal Data [0002]
3. Absence Quota [2006]
4. Planed working time [0007] with the time management status " if you are using PDC then "2" " Or "1. Time evaluation actual time".
5. Time Recording Info [0050]
2. In Negative time management we are only recording the time deviation like "Absence, Illness, Leave" and following are the Infotype we need to maintain in master data,
0001, 0002,0007 with time management status "0" i.e No time evaluation and 2006.
Best of Luck
Swapnil -
Attendance type for training in negative time management
Hi,
We are using negative time management. Attendance Type T-Training is created. I have specified in the integration switch PLOGI-TIME 1 and specified the attendance type in SEMIN-APART. But even when I firmly book a business event, the attendance type is not stored in the attendances of the employees who are booked to the training event.
Is the attendance stored automatically when the business event is firmly booked in negative time management? Or this is applicable only to the Positive Time Management?
Please help.
Regards,
Sasi.Hi Dear,
In "Specify Attendance Types" node under Integration with Time mgmt in TEM node in SPRO. Kindly check the following points:
PLOGI,,TIME,,1,,Integration switch: Training and Event Mgmt/ Time
SEMIN AINST "value as maintained in Time Managment" for Attendance type for instructor in T554S
SEMIN APART "value as maintained in Time Managment" for Attendance type for instructor in T554S
SEMIN TIMEP According to your requirement
kindly check the value for the above two field under
Time Management --> Time Data recording and Administration --> Attendance/Actual Working Time --> Define Attendance Type
and check the value maintained Trainee Attendance and Trainer Attendance. Following is maintained as default.
01 0420 Trainee Attendance
01 0425 Trainer Attendance
let me know if you have any issues.
Thanks and Best Regards
Puneet -
USE OF CATS IN Negative time management scinario
Hi Friends,
I need your guidance on following points
1) Is there any relevance of using CATS in negative time management.
2) If we have to use CATS in negative time management what should be the time management status o or 7
3) If we transfer the data to HR management does it updates 2002 IT
Hope for your reply plz
Thanks in advance
Regards
Rajesh RaiRajesh,
1. CATS is very much relevant in negative time management for payment of overtime, recording absences and attendances. In CATS, the employee would enter time using activity types which needs to be mapped to the relevant attendance / absence types. After approval, the times charged in the time sheets would be transferred to infotypes 2001 / 2002 / 2010 (can be used for overtime)
You can use the data transfer reports "RPTEXTPT" for Human Resources components
Pls. refer to the below link for information
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/dc/f9783b05efdb18e10000000a114084/frameset.htm
2. You can use TMSTA "9" - Time evaluation - planned times while using CATS
3. CATS data can be very much transferred to infotype 2002
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/dc/f9783b05efdb18e10000000a114084/frameset.htm
Hope this information helps
Regards
Raj -
How to put negative time in CAT2 ?
The client wants to put in negative time values in CAT2. What configuration should I change to make this allowed? Do I need to change the program or user-exit?
Thanks a lot.There was an OSS note that I saw in that regard, which essentially barred negative time entry. Also it makes more business logic to enter a positive absence or attendance type and work on that as required than to enter negative time. If you still need some information on that do a search for negative time in OSS notes and you might bump on something.
Thanks,
Krish -
Late Arrival with +tive Time Recording
Hi,
I need a solution for this scenario. I have Positive time recording and i want to apply the following rules on monthly basis.
apply the following rules (within a month)
1st Time Lateness beyond 30 minutes ==> 1 hour deduction
2nd Time Lateness beyond 30 minutes ==> 2 hours deduction
3rd time (and thereafter) Lateness beyond 30 minutes ==> 4 hours deduction
deductions cannot exceed 5 days a month
after that, set the employee on error, so that action from the time administrator will be required.
I need solution for this scenario and need help for write a PCR.
Thanks in advance.Hi,
I need a solution for this scenario. I have Positive time recording and i want to apply the following rules on monthly basis.
apply the following rules (within a month)
1st Time Lateness beyond 30 minutes ==> 1 hour deduction
2nd Time Lateness beyond 30 minutes ==> 2 hours deduction
3rd time (and thereafter) Lateness beyond 30 minutes ==> 4 hours deduction
deductions cannot exceed 5 days a month
after that, set the employee on error, so that action from the time administrator will be required.
I need solution for this scenario and need help for write a PCR.
Thanks in advance. -
hi
can any body give me the inputs to implement only negative time management.
what are all the configurable steps and which schema we have to use how to relate this into payroll.https://forums.sdn.sap.com/click.jspa?searchID=18410405&messageID=6496113
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Counting (New) Absence Counting Deduction rules for Absence quotas
Time Personnel Time Management IMG Absence Absence Catalog
Absences Data Recording and Administration Assign Counting Rules to
Absence Types.Counting
Personnel TimeIMG Attendances/Actual Working Time Data Recording and
Administration Management Define Attendance Types.Times
Time Personnel Time Management IMG Attendances/Actual Working
Times Data Recording and Administration Assign Counting Rules for
Attendance counting (New) Attendance counting Rules to Attendance
Types.
Time Data Personnel Time Management IMG Managing Time Accounts Using
Attendance/AbsenceRecording and Administration Define Absence Quota
Types. Time Quota Types Quotas
PersonnelIMG Managing Time Time Data Recording and Administration
Time Management Calculating Absence Entitlements Accounts Using
Attendance/Absence Quotas Permit Quota Generation Without
TimeAutomatic Accrual of Absence Quotas Evaluation.
Time Time Evaluation Personnel Time Management IMG Set Personnel
Subarea Groupings for Time Recording.Evaluation Settings
Time Data Recording and Administration Personnel Time Management
IMG Managing Calculating AbsenceTime Accounts Using
Attendance/Absence Quotas Set Base Entitlements Rules for
Generating Absence Quotas Entitlements Base Entitlement for Absence
Quota Generation.
Personnel TimeIMG Managing Time Accounts Time Data Recording and
Administration Management Rules for Calculating Absence Entitlements
Using Attendance/Absence Quotas Determine Validity and Deduction
Periods.Generating Absence Quotas
IMG Managing Time Data Recording and Administration Personnel Time
Management Calculating Absence EntitlementsTime Accounts Using
Attendance/Absence Quotas Define Set Base Entitlements Rules for
Generating Absence Quotas Generation Rules for Quota Selection.
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Edited by: Sreenu K S on Nov 26, 2008 10:41 AM
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