Positive time management through interface or without interface

Hi Gurus,
I am working on positive time management and i have few queries:
1. As a consultant I have to suggest my client whether they should for interface between sap and eternal recording system or not... What you guys suggest which one is better.
2. I came to know that there is a standard interface(HR PDC) in sap to interact with ecternal recording system. I want to know how this Sap interact with external recording system i.e. online or offline using this interface.
Please reply to my queries soon..
Points will be awarded for the inputs.
Hope to hear soon from u guys...

1. As a consultant I have to suggest my client whether they should go for interface between sap and eternal recording system or not... What you guys suggest which one is better.
If your client wish to go for postive time management it is must for you create interface either you willing to say or not.
Without that interface you can't do time positive time management
2. I came to know that there is a standard interface(HR PDC) in sap to interact with ecternal recording system. I want to know how this Sap interact with external recording system i.e. online or offline using this interface.
I belive this needs some third party tool to intract with PDC. then you have use time evaluation status TMSTA 1 according to PDC
I belive it bit differnt from what you are looking for.
please tell me what kind of time terminal your client is using at the moment?
Best Regards

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1. As a consultant I have to suggest my client whether they should go for interface between sap and eternal recording system or not... What you guys suggest which one is better.
If your client wish to go for postive time management it is must for you create interface either you willing to say or not.
Without that interface you can't do time positive time management
2. I came to know that there is a standard interface(HR PDC) in sap to interact with ecternal recording system. I want to know how this Sap interact with external recording system i.e. online or offline using this interface.
I belive this needs some third party tool to intract with PDC. then you have use time evaluation status TMSTA 1 according to PDC
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please tell me what kind of time terminal your client is using at the moment?
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Hi Seniors,
Can anybody please provide me some data on the same.
Thanks.

Hi,
Positive time management is slightly difficult to implement compared to negative time management.
In negative time management, you use planned working times + deviations in time evaluation.
In positive time management, you record actual times through time recording system. You have to bring these times to SAP through an interface and then evaluate the actual times against the planned times and accordingly pay them out. You would need to pay attention regarding the integration between SAP R/3 and time recording system.
Building rules for positive time management is slightly more challenging compared to negative time management.
Kindly go through the below documents on positive time management which will give you more idea about the same.
Integration of Time Recording Terminals with SAP R/3
Determination of First Clock In & Last Clock Out in Positive Time Evaluation
Late Coming, Early Going and Unauthorized absence
Prorated Grant of Absence Quota for Contract Period in Time Evaluation
Splitting of Overtime Hours after X Hours in Time Evaluation
Rounding off Overtime Hours Generated via T510S table in Time Evaluation
Public Holiday Calendar and Work Schedule Rules
I hope these are helpful to you.
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Document on Positive Time Management & Integration with payroll

Hi,
Can any one suggest me any link from where I will get the IMG steps of Positive time management implemetation, time evaluation, time wagetype detail as well as the steps of integration with payroll..
Thanks in advance.
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Hi Chandrashekar,
Can you please advise how actually the transfer of clock times from time recording terminals to SAP R/3 will work?
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Key difference between Negative & Positive Time Managment

Dear Consultants,
Please provide the information regarding the key differences between Negative Time Management & Positive Time Management.
Under what circumstances, we shouldn't recommend for Positive Time Management?
What are the major challenges for the client/end-user in using Positive Time Management?
What would be the duration required to implement Negative TM?
What would be the duration required to implement Positive TM?
What are the limitations of Negative TM?
Can a client opt for both Positive & Negative TM?
Regards,

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Please provide the information regarding the key differences between Negative Time Management & Positive Time Management.
Time Management can be bifurcated types:
1. Positive Time (+ve Time) ? Positive time is plays the total role of workflow. All the processes related to time are automatically gets executed in the background. E.g., in our case it is done only partially to validate the attendance as per punches and other documents with shift timing and generate absence automatically in case of any discrepancy.
2. Negative Time (-ve Time) ? Where the all time related activities like validation of the attendance, posting of absence for wage deduction etc are done manually. It has less level of integration among the different components of time management.
Negative Time Recording:
1. Records time deviations to Planned Working Time
2. Valid deviations include: Absences, Special Absences, On Call Duty, Overtime, Substitutions, Time off in lieu
3. Deviations are manually entered according to type & duration.
Positive Time Recording:
1. Records the attendance time of the employee
2. Records the deviation times of the employee
3. Valid attendances include: Training, Business Trips, Seminars, Overtime.
4. Attendances & deviations can be entered either:
- Front end system
- Manually.
Positive Time Management we have two types of recordings:
1. With Clock times - Complete time recording is captured
2. With out Clock times - Only Number of hourse worked is captured
Negetive time Management:
1. No clock times and assumed employee is working unless and until his or her absences are entered.
How is the process of getting data from time recording system to SAP how can we connect time recording system to SAP? How do we interface for positive time management?
To simplify:
We can consider two independent systems:
1. SAP System which contains Planned Working time
2. Time recorder system which contains the actual timings
Now as Time recorder system will contain all Clock in & Clock outs, the data needs to be uploaded to SAP system either as Scheduled job at back end or online in critical cases.
Based on our Time pair and other IMG settings in SAP System and comparison of IT2011 with IT2000, it generates values of OT,Absences etc etc.
This job can be effectively done in proper coordination with Basis, ABAPers and Time Consultants.
Under what circumstances, we shouldn't recommend for Positive Time Management?
>>>If the company has only salaried employees /exempt empls, where you dont record their OT, DT, etc..
>>>If Company has already another system which records time and can provide just total hours to be paid off in Regular / OT/ DT and also could update quotas
What are the major challenges for the client/end-user in using Positive Time Management?
>>>Integration between 3rd party system and SAP - Interface, logics
>>> Accruals and Quota
What would be the duration required to implement Negative TM?
>>> Few months *
What would be the duration required to implement Positive TM?
>>> Depends on volume diversity you have in time recording. May be between few months to a year.
What are the limitations of Negative TM?
>>> Detailed reporting may not be available in SAP and Posting Timesheets to CO/Billing would out of scope
>>> Also refer to SAP documents and presentation by clients in market place for more details
Can a client opt for both Positive & Negative TM?
>>> Yes you can

Negative time management to positive time management

Hi Experts
our client is following negative time management now. They would
like to implement positive time management from now onwards.
please suggest how i'll do this for my client.
Thanks

Hi,
Firstly, your client has to decide how the entry exit timings of the employees are going to be captured, and then load them into SAP. The timevents will be updated in IT2011.
One way is to have a third party capture all the events from recording terminals located on the site, have a RFC to get these events to SAP. The time events can then be uploaded into the infotype table TEVEN (IT2011). These programs shud also be scheduled in the backgrnd to run either daily or after sum intervals of time.
In config,
You will have to change the groupings of PS & EE for time recording,
Change the time management status for these employees,
change the feature TMSTA to default the same status for new employees to be hired.
Maintain IT0050 for all employees. (necessary for +ve time)
Change the grouping for Attendance / Absence types
Have to check whether system reactions for time pair formations in system are as per clients requirements
Modify the time mangement schema (with clock times) according to the requirement.
Schedule a background job so that time evaluation is run for all employees once a day. (usually scheduled during the night)
These are some of the changes that I can think about right now hope this is helpful.
Regards,
Shreyasi.

Query on Positive time management in SAP HR

Dear Experts
While checking the RPTIME00, I get the following in log -
Select time wage types
GWT
Input - TIP
Processing - No pairs exist for processing type
Output
DZL - No entry in table
What could be the possible reasons?
Can anyone please tell me as to which output tables(such as ZES, SALDO, ZML etc) needs to filled up after time evaluation for overtime?
Thanks,
Rupesh Mhatre
Edited by: rumhat on Feb 24, 2011 2:08 PM

Hi
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/8a/9868bc46c411d189470000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
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Positive & Negative Time Management

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Positive time is plays the total role of workflow. All the processes related to time are automatically gets executed in the background. E.g., in our case it is done only partially to validate the attendance as per punches and other documents with shift timing and generate absence automatically in case of any discrepancy.
.Negative Time (-ve Time) ? Where the all time related activities like validation of the attendance, posting of absence for wage deduction etc are done manually. It has less level of integration among the different components of time management.
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1. With Clock times - Complete time recording is captured
2. With out Clock times - Only Number of hourse worked is captured
Negative time Management:
1. No clock times and assumed employee is working unless and until his or her absences are entered.
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Difference between a positive time and negative time management.Explain with screenshots.

Hi gurus!
I would like to know the difference between Positive time management and negative time management.
thx & regards,
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Hi Nagaraju,
I am adding more information..
Whether or not an employee is on positive or negative time is determined by the time management status on IT0007. Status 1 or 2 = positive time; status 9 = negative time.
In a standard system, positive time recording means the employee is required to record time (absence or attendance) for any day on which he is scheduled to work according to his generated work schedule. Negative time recording means an employee does not need to record time unless he has an exception to his normal working time; so absences are typically recorded as well as overtime or time work on days for which the employee is not scheduled to work.
Schema TM00 is used to process positive time employees for whom clock times are entered; that is, every record has a start and end time.
Schema TM04 processes both positive and negative time employees. The key distinction between TM00 and TM04 is TM04 does not require start and end times on every entry. Records with start and end times cna be processed in TM04. However, the records do not require these entries.
In TM04 you will see code using IF, ELSE, ENDIF statements during the import process to separate the import of time data for positive and negative time employees.
Positive time employees use the following data import statements in the schema:
P2011 Import IT2011 records to TIP; regardless of whether the EE has IT2011, load the work schedule to TZP. If no IT2011 record exists, TIP is empty.
P2001 Load absences
P2002 Load attendances
Negative time employees use the following data import statements:
P2000 This is the critical difference between positive and negative employees. P2000 loads the daily work schedule to the TIP table as if the employee workede; that is, if the employee is scheduled to work from 8:00 to 17:00, this record will now appear on TIP. The work schedule details are also added to TZP.
P2001 Load absences -- to pick up exceptions to planned working time
P2002 Load attendances -- again to pick up exceptions, special costing information, overtime, alternate payments, premiums or any other variation from normal schedule work.
So if you want to determine if you are using positive or negative time, check the time management status on the employees.
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UNABLE TO GET SALARY BASED ON HOURS ( POSITVE TIME MANAGMENT )

Hi Vivek,
Your document was great.
I am implementing positive time management and at present i am entering the clock in and clock-out in IT-2011 manually for testing and when i run PT60 using TM00 schema it was not showing any errors but data in 'ZL' it was showing as no entries.
And to cross check i have executed 'PC00_M40_CALC' but the payroll was caluclated based on no. of days( negative tm).
I am new to TM concept please help me out.
Thanks,
Saikrishna.

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Here are some answers/comments to your question above.
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2. Entries will not automatically be created in the ZL table just because you have IT2011 (Table TEVEN) entries. ZL entries are created either through PCR logic, or via table T510S (Wage type generation) entries. These are both very complex Time Management concepts that require a lot of studying and understanding in order to take raw data and generate the appropriate wage types at the appropriate time. This is important because based upon raw clock in and clock out's alone the system does not know if it should generate regular hours, overtime, double time, holiday pay etc - you have to do the configuration to tell the system what to generate and when to generate it.
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Message was edited by: Shehryar Khan

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It is fine to download time balances but downloading whole employee (mini)master data each day is a bit difficult to explain to stakeholders. Perhaps I may need to create my own driver program that populates data for modified employees only. Thoughts??? Is this the correct approach???
As far as the second one is concerned, I am interested in downloading new/modified OM records like departments, jobs, positions, etc. It seems the same can be catered for by using HR-PDC through business object RCVPEVTREC, method receivePObject. I perhaps overlooked the interface specs.
Thanks again and I may get back with more questions.
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I am involved in a project that links Kronos Time Management system with SAP 4.6C . Since Kronos is certified for standard interface HR-PDC, we can use it for integration without patch-work.
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You have to create atleast the work schedule which will consist of DWS and PSW and then work scheedule rule. Also I think you will require to configure feature SCHKZ to default work schedule rule in IT0007.
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