Possible sampling rates of a PCI-MIO-16E-1 with DASYLab

Hello!
I'm using a PCI-MIO-16E-1 DAQ. It's maximum sample rate is 1.25MS/s
My questions:
- What does maximum output rate of 1MS/s mean? I need 3 channels at 400kS/s.
- What are the possible sample rates? Can I use e.g. 3 channels with 105 kS/s each?
- If not what are the fixed sample rates of that card?
Thanks a lot

Hi matadler,
The E-Series boards have one DAC for each output, therefore you can use the full output rate with all output channels.
The PCI-6070 (formerly known as PCI-MIO-16E-1) has 2 analog outputs, which can be used at up to 1 MS/s. If you need more analog outputs, you need another board.
Analog inputs on the E-Series boards are multiplexed. This means you have only one ADC which is used for all analog input channels. You have to divide the maximum sampling rate by the number of channels you actually use.
For your application, this means you can use up to 416kS/s with 3 channels. There are no fixed sample rates on the board, so it's no problem to use 105kS/S.
Regards,
Richard H.
National Instruments

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Here are some benchmarks for pulse measurements:
The following numbers were derived from a Gateway with 128 MB-RAM and an Athlon 700 for ONE counter of the PCI-6602. The number of counters you are using will affect these numbers.
Finite Buffer
Buff Period - 7.25 MHz
Buff Pulse Width - 7.25 MHz
Buff Semi-Period - 3.35 MHz
Continuous Buffer
Buff Period - 250 kHz
Buff Pulse Width - 250 kHz
Buff Semi-Period - 140 kHz
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Here is an internal knowledgebase that may help you:
Title:
After Long Periods of Acquisition with AI and Counters, a -10920 Error Occurs
Problem:
A customer has a PCI-MIO-16E-4 and his application is acquiring analog input signals and performing event counting with the buffered event counting mode. The problem is that the buffered event counting is at some arbitrary amount of time (e.g., after 2 days) getting an error with the number -10920. The questions are:
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2. Do you know how big the FIFO is for this buffered event counting?
3. When he shares a DMA channel with the floppy controller, how can we make sure they use separate DMA channels?
Solution :
Here are the answers to the above questions:
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And another knowledgebase about error -10920
http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/websearch/8FB9091CB9BB452B8525642000554799?OpenDocument
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"Dr. Imad" wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> my understanding is that you are generating a sine wave (on one of the
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PCI-MIO-16E-4

PCI-MIO-16E-4をWin XPで使用しているのですが、ＸＰサポート終了に伴いWin7に買い換える予定でいます。
Win7で「PCI-MIO-16E-4」を使用できるものなのでしょうか？
また、使用できない場合は、代替のものはあるでしょうか？
それからソフトはLabVIEW5をeze化したものを使用しているのですが、そちらもWin7で対応可能かご教示下さい。
以上、申し訳御座いませんが、よろしくお願い致します。

Next time, you should post in english or in the forums section covering your mother language (as i and most others in the english section cannot read japanese)......
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PCI-MIO-16E4 is a rather old device from the "E-Series" family. When trying to get information on "is this hardware still useable with Windows 7", you have to check if the hardware driver supporting that hardware is compatible to Win7.
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I need to generate pulse trains of changing pulse widths using PCI-MIO-16E-4 daq card using Igor Pro.
I have tried to use the CTR functions (but always keep getting errors and it doesn't work). I also used the general purpose counters (GPCTR functions) but cannot visualise them on a CRO. If someone can help in regards to the programming aspect, it will be greatly appreciated.
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Vakul

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Are you using Traditional DAQ, or DAQmx and which versions are you using?
What operating system are you running?
When you say you can't visualize them on CRO, I assume that you are hooking the counter out to a cathode ray oscilloscope and can't see the pulse train?
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There are several online knowledge bases describing how to change the frequency of a pulse train on the fly.
This link explains how to use software to create a new pulse width.
http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/websearch/7B1B0427C39FE33086256CEE00752133?OpenDocument
This link discusses using frequency shift keying, which will only allow you to have 2 different pulse widths.
http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/websearch/EC1F089252F33B248625696E006FB6FC?OpenDocument
I assume that you are writing this program to compile in Igor Pro using C. I can help you with the C code development, but don't know anything about the Igor Pro API.
Please get back to me about those questions and let me know if you need further help.
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370503f.zip ‏1260 KB

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Hello;
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So, you should be able to use the same acessories as you use with the AT boards.
Anyway, you can still try to install the AT boards with NT. The following link is a good step by step installation guide with some troubleshooting hints also. You just need to select the board and OS you are working at.
http://www.ni.com/support/daq/
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