Posterisation issues with DNG Profiles Editor

I tried to tweak the Adobe Standard Beta for Nikon Coolpix 8700 profile to match the look of TIFF output of the same image from Capture NX. Though I could manage to get a perfect match of the colors (by way of around ten points in the green to red range), When I looked at the file so rendered at 100% there were significant posterisation and abrupt tonal changes which were very difficult to eliminate. Any similar experiences and suggestions / comments.
I am using Win XP Pro SP2 on a Intel Core2 3GHz. and G33 motherboard with its onboard Graphics card.

Hi Eeric, Having so many control points was in a effort to match the profile to the output of Capture NX, so that I could integrate all my workflow into Photoshop. I could not do without the use of as many control points because as you could see, so many hues of green were off. we should find a way around this problem. either like developing a set methodology of aproaching color adjustment or something else. I also suggest having a "Color Curve" probably something on the lines of the tone curve with input and output values of Hue.
I feel that there should also be a way to adjust the color range that each color control point can influence. That way there will not be a need to put too many control points close together.
Anurag

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    2. HYPERLINK "/people/MadManChan2000"MadManChan2000,
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