Power Mac G4 Quicksilver as NAS
So I've had a G4 867 for a couple of years that I've been running headless, basically as a poorly configured and overpowered NAS host. I've got HDD from my previous G4 Cube and other machines tucked into the tower and they hold my wife's iTunes library, our iPhoto library and other things.
One issue with this machine is that none of the four drives are bigger than 80GB, and I would like to get some bigger drives to consolidate things, and provide a Time Machine backup location for my wife's MacBook that her school district gave her.
My questions are: is the better choice to find some PATA drives (250 or 320) and use those, or to buy an SATA card and get that kind of drive? I know neither format is cheap these days, but I don't want to lose our 6000+ photos and days of music files. Second, do I need to be running Mac OS 10.5.8 on this beast, or should I be running MacOS Server of some flavor for an NAS application, or something else entirely?
I did recently have one of my employees give me a Windows machine that "wasn't working" and I was going to uuse FreeNAS on it, but I'm going to give it to my parents instead (they're Windows users... <shudder>)...
Thoughts?
Thanks.
Is that a QS/867 or an MDD/867?
The QS/2001 can only natively/officially use 128 GB drives.
Can officially support two Ultra ATA/66 hard drives on the original bus (more drives can be supported with a third-party controller PCI card). Officially, drives larger than 128 GB are not supported. However, third-parties have discovered that this system will natively support hard drives larger than 128 GB, when running MacOS X 10.2 or higher. Ultra ATA/100 hard drives are backwards compatible with the Ultra ATA/66 standard.
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/stats/powermac_g4_867_qs.html
Cheap 250 GB drives here...
250GB Western Digital Caviar SE IDE/ATA 8MB Cache 7200RPM: Factory Recertified. 1 Year OWC Warranty
Be sure you have 2 or 3 backups of those 6000+ photos.
I don't think you need Server for what you're doing.
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Power Mac G4 Quicksilver Won't Wake From Sleep
I have a Power Mac G4 Quicksilver 933MHz that will not wake up after it goes to sleep. It is currently running OS X 10.3, has had its hard drive replaced, system reinstalled, and been DiskWarrior'd. Haven't tried replacing the PRAM battery yet but get no indication its dead (clock keeps time wen off). It always connected to an Apple 17" Cinema Display--could that be the source of the problem?
Hi, Toolshed4!
Third Party USB devices and USB PCI cards are notorious potential culprits for no wake from sleep issues so please follow japamac's lead and look at them as potential culprits. Disconnect the external peripherals and test sleep/wake. Swap a third party keyboard and/or mouse with your Apple one(s) and test. Remove any PCI cards, and test. (It's perhaps good practice to reset the PMU after you add or remove an internal component.)
A Cinema Display, especially one with a built-in USB port or hub problem, could create an issue, though it would more likely to be one of not sleeping, rather than not waking. You might quickly check your system log for possible indicators of USB issues with the Display, if you have reason to suspect that its ports may not be functioning properly.
Resetting NVRAM in Open Firmware sometimes resolves the issue. Resetting your PMU as japamac suggested will take care of the NVRAM reset for you.
If the above didn't resolve things, please continue on...
Corrupt Energy Saver preferences are sometimes the cause. Quit System Preferences if it's opened and navigate to /Library/Preferences/System Configuration (folder) and delete the following preference files:
com.apple.PowerManagement.plist
com.apple.AutoWake.plist
(The AutoWake plist file may or may not be present, depending on whether or not you have/had scheduled sleep settings.)
Then navigate to ~/Library/Preferences and delete the com.apple.systemuiserver.plist preference file. Restart and test sleep again.
If your battery is old, it's a good idea to just get a new one. The worst that can happen is that you'll have a spare when you need it. They're about $5 online. If you go to Radio Shack with the one you have, they'll test it for you. Alternately, put a voltmeter on it and insure that you're reading at least 3.3 volts DC. New ones read 3.6 - 3.9 volts.
Gary
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Hi, I would like to buy a power mac G4 quicksilver and install the latest hardware i.e. i5, SSD etc., is this possible?
Intel i5 processor upgrade? No way, no how with the OEM PPC board.
The "Latest" hardware that can be used with the original G4 motherboard is imited to used 7445/7447/7448 3rd party processor upgrades (all obsolete), PCI expansion, AGP graphics (only used as all are obsolete), new IDE drives (capacity support dependant on model year) and PC133 memory.
SATA and SSD can be used, but only with PCI SATA controllers or the specially configured IDE modded SSD from OWC.
PCI controllers will get you about SATA 1 data rates. The adapted SSD on IDE won't get beyond 60 MB/s.
You could use the case and put a mini ITX or micro ATX board in to support the i5. Of course you could then run Windows 7. If you want to run OS X, discussion ends here and begins your use of Google and searching for "x86" and "Hackintosh". -
Startup problems w/ Power Mac G4 (QuickSilver 2002) M8667LL (dual 1 GHz)
Starts up with bong and then a long wait then screen comes on with old time smiley Mac and spinning beach ball then another long wait and then OS X loading bar and then a panic screen. Subsequent start, bong, and then hard drive spins for 6 or 7 minutes, then hard drive stops and then nothing. Could this be symptomatic of a hard drive failure?
Thanks very much.I am pleased to report that I think the problem has been solved. Apparently the strange behavior can be attributed to overheating. After some on line research and the help of people on this list I opened the case and found that the logic board fan was clogged full of lint and dust. After cleaning it I discovered that the fan is inoperable. The computer is now operating with the case open and a small electric fan directed at the logic board heat sink. The computer has been operating flawlessly now for several hours. Will have to replace the bad cooling fan and clean the computer regularly. Thanks so much to all of the people who have responded to my request for help. Would like to mention that a firm with a canine connection charged me over a hundred dollars to report that their diagnosis is a faulty logic board.
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Sound Card for Power Mac G4 Quicksilver
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SamI've started using the iMic by Griffin. It's an USB stereo input/output audio adapter with both mic and line level input/ouput. They provide a free download of their audio editing software called Finyl Vinyl (I think), which lets you record and edit audio mainly (though you can input video with the adapter - need different software though). Though it's intended mainly for recording from turntables, you can input and edit most any audio with a mini plug to RCA jacks cable. I've used a cassette deck and a mini disc recorder so far. I haven't played much with the mic input so far, but the line in audio is very good (I've worked in community radio for a while now, so I have a pretty good ear). The adapter also works with other audio editing software like Audacity and Logic Express (possibly Garageband too, I haven't tried). And it's available for under $30 on places like eBay.
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Compatible DVD-RW Drives - Power Mac G4 Quicksilver 733MHz
Hi,
I am in the process of upgrading a Power Mac G4 Quicksilver 733 MHz. Does anyone have a list of compatible DVD-RW drives? I want to replace the existing CD-RW drive so I can install Tiger from the DVD.
Also want to install a 3.5" Floppy Disk Drive, anyone know which models are compatible?
Thanks for your help,
MartinFor the least problematic and most compatible brand DVD±RW drive for use in Macs, I'd recommend a Pioneer drive, like this one. You can use other brands (like NEC, Samsung, or LG), but bootability can be iffy from one brand to another. Some of the major names (like Sony) sell rebranded drives, so you never know what product you'll get from one model to another, even with the same "name" on it. You don't need to restrict your search to Mac dealers, because your G4 uses the same DVD±RW drive as PCs. A Mac dealer may include (third-party) Mac burning software, which the drives marketed for PCs won't include. As for a floppy drive, you'll have to settle for an external USB version. Unlike their PC counterparts, older Apple FDDs had a single ribbon cable that conveyed data and power. There isn't any means to connect one of these to the standard interfaces found in the B&W G3s and newer Macs. With the cost of USB flash drives now less than $10/GB, why do you want to install a FDD in your G4? Is it intended for temporary use, until you've copied the contents of older disks to another medium?
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Powering ON/OFF Problems on a Power Mac G4 (Quicksilver Order M8360LL/A)
Hi G4 Specialists !
I have a major problem. @ First Model description:
Power Mac G4 (Quicksilver Order M8360LL/A)
System version : Mac OS X 10.4.8
Boot volume : Eclypse
Hardware Overview:
Machine speed : 867 MHz
Bus speed : 133 MHz
Number of processors : 1
L2 cache size : 256K
L3 cache size : 2MB
Machine model : Power Mac G4 (version = 2.1)
Boot ROM info : 4.2.3f1
Customer serial number : #######-###-####
Sales order number : Not available
Memory Overview:
Location Type Size
DIMM0/J21 SDRAM 128 MB
DIMM1/J22 SDRAM 256 MB
DIMM2/J23 SDRAM 256 MB
DIMM3/J24 empty
Network Overview:
Built-in:
Devices and Volumes
PCI:
SLOT-1(AGP):
Card Type : display
Card Name : NVDA,NVMac
Card Model : GeForce2 MX
Card (Video) Memory : 32 MB
Hard Drive:
Disk Size : 57.26 GB (1K = 1024) 62 GB (1K = 1000)
Unit Number : 0
ATA Device Type : ata
Device Serial : #######-###-####
Device Revision : ER6OA44A
Device Model : IBM-IC35L060AVER07-0
Eclypse:
Volume Size : 57.26 GB (1K = 1024) 62 GB (1K = 1000)
Ejectable : No
Writable : Yes
Hard Drive:
Disk Size : 37.27 GB (1K = 1024) 41 GB (1K = 1000)
Unit Number : 1
ATA Device Type : ata
Device Serial : WD-WMAD11234827
Device Revision : 05.03E05
Device Model : WDC WD400BB-00DEA0
CD-RW/DVD-R:
Disc Burning : Fully supported.
ATA Device Type : atapi
Device Revision : 1.90
Product Identification : DVD-RW DVR-103
Vendor Identification : PIONEER
Now the Problem:
in the last time I ear that the G4 after clicking on the Login Window on SLEEP is often gone to shutdown. The last week I made this check and the G4 gone to shutdown and after x seconds again ON without external intervention. Was this not a real shutdown (the light on the Power button was NOT PULSING)
What I have just done:
I resetted trought booting + OF all Boot parameters, I made the CUDA reset, I bought a new PMU Battery and now (all disconnected also the HDs) when I push the Power Botton the Fan TRIES to go but after a microsecond is cutted off power. The last time, while trying to take care of my G4, that it had made a little of work was tonight WHITOUT PMU/Battery I made login, I have seen that THE DATE WAS RIGHT (without PMU-Battery !!!) I just choose the right Display Conf, then I started DiskUtility first CHECK Disk and then I was looking for solutions @apple Support on another machine PUFF the G4 has gone OFF and ON and OFF than I unplugged the POWER cable.
Now I don t know any more, suggestions ?
Massimo
G4 QuickSilver 867, G4 PB 867, Classic Mac OS X (10.4.8)Massimo,
I'm having a bit of a problem with the translation. I think what you're saying is that when you attempt startup, the Mac initially gets only a momentary bit of power, with the red LED lighting briefly, then shutting off, after which nothing happens. Occasionally, the Mac starts to the point where the hard drives begin to spin up, but then they, too, shut down. You would like to try booting to the install disc with the drives disconnected, but can't get far enough along in the startup process to open the optical drive tray.
If what I've said above is correct, you can open your optical drive tray manually. Use a fingernail to open the dust cover of the optical drive and look for a tiny hole on the face of the drive below the tray. If you insert a paperclip straight into this hole and push it firmly, the drive tray will begin to eject. When it comes out far enough to grasp with your fingers, pull it out to extend it fully. Insert the disc and manually push the tray back in. Boot to disc by depressing the "c" key at startup and holding it down until the turning grey cog wheel appears.
To attempt to get the Mac to start, perhaps you should try completely de-energizing and resetting it. Try this, (just leave your hard drives disconnected):
Disconnect everything externally except the power cord.
Touch your finger to a metal slot cover on the back of the Mac as a static discharge precaution, then disconnect the power cord.
Remove the battery.
Depress and hold the front power button for a five-count.
Fully depress the PMU for a five-count.
Take a thirty-minute break to insure that the internal capacitors are completely discharged.
Reconnect the power cord, monitor, keyboard, and mouse, leaving the battery out.
Attempt startup to the install disc.
Any luck? If so, reinsert the battery, connect the hard drives and boot to disc, launching Disk Utility and running Repair Disk and Repair Permissions. Check the Startup Disk option in the Installer menubar to insure the OS X system on your startup drive is still selected. Then quit the Installer to restart normally to the hard drive. If successful, you can then check the preference files for sleep-wake problem that it seems you were having, if I understood correctly.
BTW - When you get stuck in a situation where the Mac won't respond and you have difficulty powering down, try to avoid pulling the power plug, which can corrupt your files and drive directory if the drive is writing data. Instead, try the restart button if you have to force a complete shutdown. If that fails to work after holding it in for a few seconds, then try the power button. If it still won't power down after holding in the power button, then release it and immediately depress the restart button, which usually works. Pull the power plug on a running Mac only as a last resort. In any event, after any sudden shutdown, it's prudent practice to initially boot back to your Tiger install disc and run Repair Disk on the startup volume. If it isn't handy, then boot to Safe Mode by depressing the shift key at the next startup, which will force a file system check of the startup volume, which is like running Repair Disk without being able to see the results. Another way is to boot to single-user mode (depress & hold cmd+"s" at startup) and run fsck, where you'll be able to see the results of the drive repair.
Gary
1GHz DP G4 Quicksilver 2002, 400MHz B&W rev.2 G3, Mac SE30 Mac OS X (10.4.5) 5G iPod, Epson 2200 & R300 & LW Select 360 Printers, Epson 3200 Scanner -
Power Mac - G4 QuickSilver and dial-up problem..
Hi all, first post here please excuse my naiviety!
As well as owning a Macbook I've been helping a friend out with their 9-10 yr old G4 Power Mac. The problem started with it not being able to power on so I tried resetting CUDA etc; that didn't work so I sourced a replacement Power Mac (power supply being impossible to replace).
All went well, swapped the HD out of his duff M5183 and put it into the newer QuickSilver. Booted-up fine and apart from running quicker it looked like his old Mac. When he tried dial-up (he can't get BB) he kept getting a no dial tone error. So I had a fiddle and managed to get a tone... however when the 0845 number was dialled all you get is a beep....beep....beep noise like the line's engaged or unobtainable. I managed to inadvertently wipe his ISP settings so tried another ISP (called freeisp, 0844 7110059) - still get the same reply on the line with this.
Question is, I'm guessing the modem on the QuickSilver is different to that on the M5183? Do I need to install drivers? The modem seems to dial out okay so I'm a bit confused.
Any help gratefully rec'd... he hasn't been able to get online for some time now.
Ta, HBAccording to this article:
Apple USB Modem: Frequently asked questions (FAQ)
Sep 15, 2008 ... You can use an Apple USB modem with any
Mac computer capable of running Mac OS X 10.4.3 or later.
You MUST have Mac OS X 10.4.3 or later...
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3152
Even email and sparse internet activity would be slow.
Still, that invites further research to be sure; and also to
check what update or upgrade the computer hardware
may need to be ready for the demands of the OS on it.
Hardware upgrades in RAM chip & hard disk drives are
the primary ones for basic physical upgrade; and then
the OS X. And Panther is not really adequate today...
Tiger has support; Panther has increasingly more wants
that are not met and does not see updates. It's rather old.
You should check into the available "retail boxed" Tiger
full installer sets that have previously been sold to people
and now those persons have upgraded to Leopard 10.5.
These should be priced less than online reseller's retail.
In some places, the universal install DVD set is not costly
once you get away from the retail demand. Amazon is a
source of retail goods; ebay is a place to find retail prices.
Individuals, whose goods you would have to be aware of
before buying (or if given a retail box Tiger installer DVD,
be informed as to what you really had.) Be sure it is NOT a
version made for a single model or series of computer,
since those would only work in that one model line.
Without access to DSL or faster cable broadband, getting
all the update bits for the system would be prohibitive; no
matter the version of OSX (or any OS) it would be too slow.
You may be able to get copies of the correct downloads
from persons you know; but you have to be sure they are
the correct ones, and not versions for some other device.
(Some update files are for Intel-based Mac, not PPC-based.)
If you have a portable computer, a list of upgrade downloads
needed (for a needy desktop computer) and a place to go and
experience fast broadband or adequate DSL, the necessary
update files a new OS X installation would require to be up to
date could be gotten; they could be saved to a CD for later use.
The latest security update, all the java updates, the Combo update,
Quicktime, Flash player, Shockwave Player, modern browsers, &
other items are required to bring even Tiger up to today's web
and daily use if going online (or if using applications needing it.)
With a list of needed applications, and/or web sites where the
downloads could be acquired, and getting 'standalone' versions
for later use in a computer later, one can deal with a slow web
access point at home, by going elsewhere to get the essentials.
And to get them with the idea of making a backup archive for
later re-install should that event of necessity occur. The Apple
Support Downloads site has OS X related updates & is search-
able. So knowing file names to do this, that way, is important.
Having the subject computer at the point where high speed
internet is available makes all kinds of sense, to just update
the newer OS X version and make it work correctly.
And the need for this would become painfully clear to even
someone with no credible amount of experience. Anyone
with hopes of getting a task done in their lifetime could see it.
Good luck & happy computing!
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Power Mac G4 cannot boot from CD
Hi there,
First, I'm sorry that question has already been asked
I am new to this forum and also new to Mac world! Soo exited!!
I have a Power Mac G4 Quicksilver. My problem is I cannot make it boot from the CD no matter what I do. Press the C key, no luck. Press the Option key, no drives showing. The HDD is Mac formatted but it cannot been detected. Any help will be appreciated.
PS: Same thing is happening on my iMac G3.
My best regards.Welcome to Apple Discussions!
Also depending on the age of the QuickSilver, some were less than 867 Mhz, which meant they couldn't take 10.5, and could only take 10.4.6 retail or earlier.
Also if the clock battery hasn't been replaced in more than 4 years, it can affect booting as well.
The iMac G3 Firewire models can only take up to 10.4.6 retail, and not 10.5 or later. Furthermore, some did not come with a DVD drive, and needed an external Firewire DVD drive to load 10.4.0 or later retail. The iMac G3s without Firewire can only take up to 10.3.5 retail.
10.5.6 retail can be updated to 10.5.8 via Apple's support website.
10.4.6 retail can be updated to 10.4.11 via Apple's support website.
10.3.5 retail can be updated to 10.3.9 via Apple's support website.
So the first question, identify your iMac G3, and identify your QuickSilver's age:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58669
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58207
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=42739 -
My Power Mac G4 shut down instead of sleeping
Is there anyone out there having this problem..?
When I put my PM to sleep it shut down instead. If I try to restart it right away it starts booting but fails after a couple of seconds and shut down again. If I wait for a longer while it starts like it should!?
I have tried to replace the backup battery with no luck.
Power Mac G4 "Quicksilver" Mac OS X (10.4.8)Hi! - I had a similar problem with my G4 which I bought second hand. It would sleep and then when I tried to awaken it - it would then shut down. Long story short - it had a third party Airport card which I removed as I did not need it - problem solved! Seemingly third party bits and pieces can sometimes cause this problem.
Hope this helps.
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Fix dvd drive door Power Mac????
Power Mac G4 Quicksilver 867mhz. The drive door for the dvd drive just hangs open. Can I get a spring or something to fix it?
Hi David,
The manual here shows how to remove that bezel & have a look on page 51& onward...
http://www.eserviceinfo.com/downloadsm/44158/Apple_Power%20Mac%20G4%20MDD.html -
Power Mac G4 933, a few questions
hello everyone, i'm new around here, and this is my first post!
i just bought a Power Mac G4 Quicksilver 993 Mhz with 1.5GBs of RAM, 80GB HDD and ATI Radeon 7500 32MB AGP graphics adapter. Since it is my first Mac computer i have a lot of questions to ask.
My intention is to completely switch from Windows based computers to Mac and this is a good start i believe - not to mention that i bought this little guy for 75 euros (about 100 US dollars) - which is great! right?
Since i haven't received it yet, i'm eager to know if the graphics card is gonna support my 1080p LG wide screen monitor? just to point out, i do not expect it to be able to play any kind of HD video material, i just want it to support the native resolution of my display.
Secondly, i'm kind of getting into music recording/production business and i wanna know if i'll be able to use it along with M-Audio Fast Track external sound card and M-Audio Studiphile AV40 speakers? how are guitar rig, garage band, logic and pro tools... running on these kind of computers?
the guy i bought it from said that it has Mac OS X 10.5.8 (Leopard) installed, so i'm sort of confused - is it possible for a 2002 machine to run a 2009 operating system? i know it's supported, but again... it sounds too good to be true!
enough questions for now. i would appreciate any kind of comment or a friendly tip for for your new Mac fellow!
and yeah, i hope my English was clear enough, concerning the fact that i'm not a native speaker!
thanks again,
spitfireFrom my experience with the 7500 in Leopard, the ability to run applications and support Leopards graphical needs is very limited.
The primary strike against the 7500 is the lack of OpenGL 2.0 support, which is needed for Leopard and many Leopard compatible apps.
http://www.jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Page%201%3A%20OpenGL%20.html
If you look in some of the other benchmark pages associated with the one linked above, you'll see in some of my results the lack of the Radeon 7500 figures.
This is because the 7500 wouldn't run the monitor or support the application.
With the QS and Leopard, and even with Tiger, one will have a much nicer experience if one upgrades the graphics card to at least a Radeon 9800 Pro.
Leopard will look and perform better, as will all graphic and video intensive apps.
Monitor support is also much improved.
Any of the cards from the Radeon 9800 Pro and stronger can be considered:
http://www.jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Blog/4B4B7BA2-7ABB-47F1-87AC-B03D379 42BEE.html -
Power Mac G4 Won't Boot...New RAM Installed...
Hey there,
I was just given a Power Mac G5, QuickSilver. It looked relatively clean inside, and had all the neccessary components already installed except for the RAM. I went ahead and bought 3 PC133 SDRAM modules, but when I put them in, I hear one loud beep and it appears nothing is happening. I can hear the fans blowing inside, but I don't get anything displayed.
I know this one beep means the computer doesn't see the RAM, but could my battery be dead? Would that also cause the sound?
Anyone have any other tips or tricks?
Thanks in advance for any info. I'd like to salvage this bad boy if at all possible.
CheersHi-
Apparently it was one of the launch models for the Quicksilver, or at least that's what I'm told.
That'll be this one:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermacg4/stats/powermac_g4_733qs.html
do you know if there are limitations to how high I can go with hard drives?
That model/series (QS 2001) only supports up to 137 GB drives (128GB formatted).
You can use a 160GB drive with no worries regarding the "unused" portion.
I was kind of wondering if I could purchase a Serial ATA PCI controller card that would allow me to use SATA hard drives.
Of course you can.
This will also get rid of the capacity limit.
However, if you want to boot to the connected drives, not all support boot.
The best, hands down, controller that also supports boot is the Firmtek Seritek line.
The 1S2 is as cheap as they come:
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Firmtek/FTST1S2/
I was also given an AGP G4 (400MHz) that was missing the hard drives, RAM, and battery.
All those parts are basically the same for the QS and the Sawtooth (AGP G4).
You can try a stick of your new RAM and any ATA hard drive (up to the same limits as the 733 QS) and see if you can get it going.
Order a new PRAM battery (or 2) from OWC while your at it.
Always nice to have a fresh one.
BTW, ALL QS processors are interchangeable.
That is to say, if you find a deal on any other QS processor (and heatsink), even a dual processor, it is a straight swap.
Look around my website, as there is a bunch of information that you might find interesting:
http://www.jcsenterprises.com/JapamacsPage/All_ThingsPPC.html -
How do I get the Power Mac Quicksilver 867mhz software?
I got the computer at a university surplus sale with no hard drive. It seems to power on fine but of course has no OS. I put a hard drive in it and tried to load OS 10.3.5 from gray discs that came with an Ibook G4 but it said "bundled software cannot be installed on this computer." The unit originally shipped with some version of OS 9xx. What OS software will load on this machine to get it going?
Thanks!!Tiger Requirements...
To use Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, your Macintosh needs:
* A PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor
* Built-in FireWire
* At least 256 MB of RAM (I recommend 1GB minimum)
* DVD drive (DVD-ROM), Combo (CD-RW/DVD-ROM) or SuperDrive (DVD-R) for installation
* At least 3 GB of free disk space; 4 GB if you install the XCode 2 Developer Tools (I recommend 20GB minimum)
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1514
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=mac+os+x+tiger+retail+10.4
See Tom's, (Texas Mac Man), great info on where/how to find/get Tiger...
https://discussions.apple.com/message/15305521#15305521
Or Ali Brown's great info on where/how to find/get Tiger...
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=10381710#10381710
Leopard requirements/10.5.x...
* Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) processor
minimum system requirements
* 512MB of memory (I say 1.5GB for PPC at least, 2-3GB minimum for IntelMacs)
* DVD drive for installation
* 9GB of available disk space (I say 30GB at least)
Classic/OS9 Apps no longer supported.
http://bobskelley.com/2015/01/04/9-reasons-leopard-keeps-power-macs-real-in-2015 /
Trouble is Apple no longer sells it, check eBay & such for the Retail version, not the Gray Discs...
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=mac+os+x+leopard+retail+10.5 -
Power Mac G4 not turning on after clean shutdown, works otherwise.
My Power Mac G4 does not turn back on after a clean shutdown, but turns on after being disconnected from the power. If I shut it down cleanly (Apple menu -> Shutdown), it shuts down, but then the power button does not work. After unplugging the computer and plugging it back in, the computer is able to power on successfully. I have reset the PRAM and have reseated the PSU connector.
I am using Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11, but the same problem occurs under Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.8. I don't think the operating system really matters with this type of issue though, because the power button literally will not respond until I unplug and replug the computer.
Any suggestions?
Jonathan Alfonso’s Power Mac G4
12/22/13 2:07 PM
Hardware:
Hardware Overview:
Machine Name: Power Mac G4
Machine Model: PowerMac3,6
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (3.3)
Number Of CPUs: 2
CPU Speed: 1.42 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB
L3 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed: 167 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.6.0f1
Serial Number: XB3101EMN1Y
Network:
Internal Modem:
Type: PPP (PPPSerial)
Hardware: Modem
BSD Device Name: modem
IPv4:
Configuration Method: PPP
IPv6:
Configuration Method: Automatic
Proxies:
Proxy Configuration Method: Manual
ExcludeSimpleHostnames: 0
FTP Passive Mode: Yes
Auto Discovery Enabled: No
Built-in Ethernet:
Type: Ethernet
Hardware: Ethernet
BSD Device Name: en0
IPv4:
Configuration Method: DHCP
IPv6:
Configuration Method: Automatic
Proxies:
FTP Proxy Enabled: No
FTP Passive Mode: Yes
Gopher Proxy Enabled: No
HTTP Proxy Enabled: No
HTTPS Proxy Enabled: No
RTSP Proxy Enabled: No
SOCKS Proxy Enabled: No
Ethernet:
MAC Address: 00:0a:95:9c:64:40
Media Options:
Media Subtype: none
Built-in FireWire:
Type: FireWire
Hardware: FireWire
BSD Device Name: fw0
IPv4:
Configuration Method: DHCP
IPv6:
Configuration Method: Automatic
Proxies:
Proxy Configuration Method: Manual
ExcludeSimpleHostnames: 0
FTP Passive Mode: Yes
Auto Discovery Enabled: No
Ethernet:
MAC Address: 00:0a:95:ff:fe:9c:64:40
Media Options: Full Duplex
Media Subtype: autoselect
AirPort:
Type: AirPort
Hardware: AirPort
BSD Device Name: en1
IPv4 Addresses: 192.168.1.134
IPv4:
Addresses: 192.168.1.134
Configuration Method: DHCP
Interface Name: en1
Router: 192.168.1.1
Subnet Masks: 255.255.255.0
IPv6:
Configuration Method: Automatic
DNS:
Domain Name: hsd1.fl.comcast.net
Server Addresses: 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server Responses:
Domain Name: hsd1.fl.comcast.net
Domain Name Servers: 192.168.1.1
Lease Duration (seconds): 0
DHCP Message Type: 0x05
Routers: 192.168.1.1
Server Identifier: 192.168.1.1
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Proxies:
Proxy Configuration Method: Manual
ExcludeSimpleHostnames: 0
FTP Passive Mode: Yes
Auto Discovery Enabled: No
Ethernet:
MAC Address: 00:0d:93:ef:b8:69
Media Options:
Media Subtype: autoselect
Software:
System Software Overview:
System Version: Mac OS X 10.4.11 (8S165)
Kernel Version: Darwin 8.11.0
Boot Volume: Macintosh HD
Computer Name: Jonathan Alfonso’s Power Mac G4
User Name: Jonathan Alfonso (alfonsojon)
ATA:
ATA Bus:
MAXTOR STM3500630A:
Capacity: 465.76 GB
Model: MAXTOR STM3500630A
Revision: 3.AAE
Serial Number: 9QG5RHPR
Removable Media: No
Detachable Drive: No
BSD Name: disk0
Protocol: ATA
Unit Number: 0
Socket Type: Internal
OS9 Drivers: No
S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
Volumes:
Macintosh HD:
Capacity: 465.64 GB
Available: 458.51 GB
Writable: Yes
File System: Journaled HFS+
BSD Name: disk0s3
Mount Point: /
ST3200822A:
Capacity: 186.31 GB
Model: ST3200822A
Revision: 3.01
Serial Number: 3LJ078AZ
Removable Media: No
Detachable Drive: No
BSD Name: disk1
Protocol: ATA
Unit Number: 1
Socket Type: Internal
OS9 Drivers: No
S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported
Volumes:
Time Machine:
Capacity: 185.99 GB
Available: 136.84 GB
Writable: Yes
File System: Journaled HFS+
BSD Name: disk1s2
Mount Point: /Volumes/Time Machine
ATA Bus:
PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-105:
Capacity: 2.64 GB
Model: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-105
Revision: A506
Serial Number: BLDL034723WL
Removable Media: Yes
Detachable Drive: No
BSD Name: disk2
Protocol: ATAPI
Unit Number: 0
Socket Type: Internal
OS9 Drivers: No
S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported
Volumes:
Mac OS X Install DVD:
Capacity: 2.64 GB
Available: 110.27 MB
Media Type: DVD-R
Writable: No
File System: HFS+
BSD Name: disk2s2
Mount Point: /Volumes/Mac OS X Install DVD
Audio (Built In):
Built In Sound Card:
CODEC: Texas Instruments TAS3004
Sample Rate: 44.1 KHz
Number of Inputs: 1
Number of Outputs: 4
Devices:
Input:
Type: Line Level Input
Output:
Type: Headphones
Output:
Type: Internal Speaker
Output:
Type: External Speaker
Output:
Type: Line Level Output
Diagnostics:
Power On Self-Test:
Last Run: 12/22/13 12:51 PM
Result: Passed
Disc Burning:
PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-105:
Firmware Revision: A506
Interconnect: ATAPI
Burn Support: Yes (Apple Shipped/Supported)
Cache: 2000 KB
Reads DVD: Yes
CD-Write: -R, -RW
DVD-Write: -R, -RW
Burn Underrun Protection CD: Yes
Burn Underrun Protection DVD: Yes
Write Strategies: CD-TAO, CD-SAO, CD-Raw, DVD-DAO
Media:
Media Type: DVD-R
Blank: No
Erasable: No
Overwritable: No
Appendable: No
FireWire:
FireWire Bus:
Maximum Speed: Up to 800 Mb/sec
Graphics/Displays:
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro:
Chipset Model: ATY,RV250
Type: Display
Bus: AGP
Slot: SLOT-1
VRAM (Total): 64 MB
Vendor: ATI (0x1002)
Device ID: 0x4966
Revision ID: 0x0000
ROM Revision: 113-99702-122
Displays:
Acer AL2017:
Resolution: 1400 x 1050 @ 60 Hz
Depth: 32-bit Color
Core Image: Not Supported
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Quartz Extreme: Supported
Rotation: Supported
Display:
Status: No display connected
Memory:
DIMM0/J21:
Size: 512 MB
Type: DDR SDRAM
Speed: PC2700U-25330
Status: OK
DIMM1/J22:
Size: 512 MB
Type: DDR SDRAM
Speed: PC2700U-25330
Status: OK
DIMM2/J23:
Size: 512 MB
Type: DDR SDRAM
Speed: PC2700U-25330
Status: OK
DIMM3/J20:
Size: 512 MB
Type: DDR SDRAM
Speed: PC2700U-25330
Status: OK
PCI Cards:
usb:
Type: usb
Bus: PCI
Slot: SLOT-5
Vendor ID: 0x1033
Device ID: 0x0035
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x17c6
Subsystem ID: 0x0036
Revision ID: 0x0041
usb:
Type: usb
Bus: PCI
Slot: SLOT-5
Vendor ID: 0x1033
Device ID: 0x0035
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x17c6
Subsystem ID: 0x0036
Revision ID: 0x0041
pci17c6,e1:
Bus: PCI
Slot: SLOT-5
Vendor ID: 0x1033
Device ID: 0x00e0
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x17c6
Subsystem ID: 0x00e1
Revision ID: 0x0002
Power:
System Power Settings:
AC Power:
System Sleep Timer (Minutes): 10
Disk Sleep Timer (Minutes): 10
Display Sleep Timer (Minutes): 10
Sleep On Power Button: Yes
Automatic Restart On Power Loss: Yes
Wake On AC Change: No
Wake On LAN: Yes
Wake On Modem Ring: Yes
USB:
USB Bus:
Host Controller Location: Built In USB
Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBOHCI
PCI Device ID: 0x0035
PCI Revision ID: 0x0043
PCI Vendor ID: 0x1033
Bus Number: 0x3b
Microsoft® Digital Media Pro Keyboard:
Version: 1.10
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 1.5 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Microsoft
Product ID: 0x00b0
Vendor ID: 0x045e
USB Bus:
Host Controller Location: Built In USB
Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBOHCI
PCI Device ID: 0x0035
PCI Revision ID: 0x0043
PCI Vendor ID: 0x1033
Bus Number: 0x1b
Kensington USB/PS2 Wheel Mouse:
Version: 1.00
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 1.5 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Kensington
Product ID: 0x102a
Vendor ID: 0x047d
USB Bus:
Host Controller Location: Expansion Slot
Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBOHCI
PCI Device ID: 0x0035
PCI Revision ID: 0x0041
PCI Vendor ID: 0x1033
Bus Number: 0x15
USB Bus:
Host Controller Location: Expansion Slot
Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBOHCI
PCI Device ID: 0x0035
PCI Revision ID: 0x0041
PCI Vendor ID: 0x1033
Bus Number: 0x35
USB High-Speed Bus:
Host Controller Location: Expansion Slot
Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBEHCI
PCI Device ID: 0x00e0
PCI Revision ID: 0x0002
PCI Vendor ID: 0x1033
Bus Number: 0x55
AirPort Card:
AirPort Card Information:
Wireless Card Type: AirPort Extreme
Wireless Card Locale: USA
Wireless Card Firmware Version: 405.1 (3.90.34.0.p18)
Current Wireless Network: Alfonso
Wireless Channel: 3
Locations:
Automatic:
Active Location: Yes
Services:
Internal Modem:
Type: PPP
IPv4:
Configuration Method: PPP
IPv6:
Configuration Method: Automatic
Proxies:
Proxy Configuration Method: 2
ExcludeSimpleHostnames: 0
FTP Passive Mode: 1
Auto Discovery Enabled: 0
PPP:
ACSP Enabled: 0
Display Terminal Window: 0
Redial Count: 1
Redial Enabled: 1
Redial Interval: 5
Use Terminal Script: 0
Dial On Demand: 0
Disconnect On Fast User Switch: 1
Disconnect On Idle: 1
Disconnect On Idle Timer: 600
Disconnect On Logout: 1
Disconnect On Sleep: 1
Idle Reminder: 0
Idle Reminder Time: 1800
IPCP Compression VJ: 1
LCP Echo Enabled: 1
LCP Echo Failure: 4
LCP Echo Interval: 10
Log File: /var/log/ppp.log
Verbose Logging: 0
Built-in Ethernet:
Type: Ethernet
BSD Device Name: en0
Hardware (MAC) Address: 00:0a:95:9c:64:40
IPv4:
Configuration Method: DHCP
IPv6:
Configuration Method: Automatic
AppleTalk:
Configuration Method: Node
Proxies:
FTP Proxy Enabled: 0
FTP Passive Mode: 1
Gopher Proxy Enabled: 0
HTTP Proxy Enabled: 0
HTTPS Proxy Enabled: 0
RTSP Proxy Enabled: 0
SOCKS Proxy Enabled: 0
Built-in FireWire:
Type: FireWire
BSD Device Name: fw0
Hardware (MAC) Address: 00:0a:95:ff:fe:9c:64:40
IPv4:
Configuration Method: DHCP
IPv6:
Configuration Method: Automatic
AppleTalk:
Configuration Method: Node
Proxies:
Proxy Configuration Method: 2
ExcludeSimpleHostnames: 0
FTP Passive Mode: 1
Auto Discovery Enabled: 0
AirPort:
Type: IEEE80211
BSD Device Name: en1
Hardware (MAC) Address: 00:0d:93:ef:b8:69
IPv4:
Configuration Method: DHCP
IPv6:
Configuration Method: Automatic
AppleTalk:
Configuration Method: Node
Proxies:
Proxy Configuration Method: 2
ExcludeSimpleHostnames: 0
FTP Passive Mode: 1
Auto Discovery Enabled: 0
IEEE80211:
AllowNetCreation: 1
JoinMode: Automatic
MAC Address: 00:0d:93:ef:b8:69
Modems:
Modem Information:
Modem Model: Dash2
Interface Type: USB
Modulation: V.92
SKU Name: UCJ
Hardware Version: 1.0F
Firmware Version: APPLE VERSION 2.6.6
Driver: InternalUSBModem.kext (v2.6.6)
Country: B5 (United States, Latin America)Still not sure what Mac you have, but do you have a multimeter?
You can convert an ATX PSU for use on a G4...
http://atxg4.com/sawtooth.html http://atxg4.com/gige-da.html
http://atxg4.com/quicksilver.html
http://atxg4.com/mdd.html
http://atxg4.com/
Hank, have you tested the MDD PSU?
http://www.jcsenterprises.com/Japamacs_Page/Blog/D275729F-09DA-4FBB-96B3-BEEEB2C 04619.html
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