Powerbook G4 17" Harddrive not appearing in anything...logic board? or othe

I've pulled it, tested it in another system, as well as in external enclosures. The drive is ok and the system can boot off Firewire and CD, but in a few disk utility programs like apple's and disk warrior, or df -H from terminal, the harddrive does not appear.
Is this logic board or ribbon? Boot gives folder with ? and finder logo if trying to boot to hard drive. Tested with 100GB original and a brand new fresh 160GB which both work on other systems.
A friend who works at apple store ran ASD 2.5.8 and it tested all OK.

fpc:
I agree with BGreg. It is either the ATA ribbon cable, or the ATA Controller on the logic board. The ribbon cable is much easier to test by swapping it out. However, if it is not the ribbon cable you will be out about $40 (ifixit). The logic board is another issue. You would be better advised to run it off a 2.5" drive in an external FW enclosure. It is not the ideal solution, but it does afford portability as the drive can be powered off firewire. Otherwise you can seek the services of a reputable repair outfit like DT&T Computer Services.
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