Powermac 8600/300 TV as monitor

I connected my PowerMac 8600/300 to my TV so the TV can be used as a monitor thru the AV ports but it looks horrible. You can barly see the icons and stuff. Its running OS 9.2.2.
Thanks

AR,
The purpose of AV out is to send a signal to tape for recording. If you are editing video, you are not watching it full screen in real time. That is why Quicktime gives you a small viewing window for speed and acceptable low resolution.
I have an 8100 that was given to me because early Avid video editing software was so buggy. It is fun to play with but it quickly reminds me why G4s are required for efficiency. Software has come a long way since the 8100 era ( the software actually ran on an 840 AV, too). Few machines can handle code fast enough to give full screen full time viewing. So, after editing the video, Avid software allows you to save in several formats, one of which is broadcast quality. Only when you take an hour or two of rendering your work to achieve high resolution will you get the output to your VCR that will look aceptable on a TV.
Jim

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Hello;
That board is supported on Mac OS. Make sure to download the latest NI-DAQ version that support Mac OS, from www.ni.com/support.
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I know the Apple has unleashed the latest and greatest machines just recently.
I still have my good ol 8600 PowerMac with maxed out ram, graphic apps,drives,etc. and was wondering if I should throw in the towel and sell it or donate it. I kept it because I have my third party plug ins for my graphic apps needs. I hardly use it though.
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Can OSX tiger or earlier be installed into a PowerMac 8600/300? I have OS 9.1 currently. If so, will it be easy to install? Thanks for your help.

OS X can only be installed on machines using G3 or later processors. Tiger requires a minimum of 256 MBs of RAM. Earlier versions of OS X required 128 MBs of RAM. These are minimum requirements. OS X requires a hard drive with a minimum of 6 GBs for installation but practically you need at least a 10 GB or larger hard drive. The hard drive must be formatted HFS+ (Mac OS Extended.)
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According to the specs listed for Sonnet's Tempo Serial ATA controller card, it's compatible with the early PCI Macs - like the 8600, as well as newer G3s, G4s, etc. The FirmTek SeriTek 1S2 SATA controller card has gotten favorable feedback in the Forums. The 8600's PCI slots are probably PCI 2.0-compliant, whereas the G4 AGPs probably have PCI 2.1-compliant slots. Even though the FirmTek card specifies PCI 2.2-compliant slots, it's undoubtedly backward-compatible. If you just want to use larger IDE/EIDE drives in your 8600, the (now-discontinued) Acard Ultra ATA-66 PCI controller card is an inexpensive solution at $25. Unlike the Acard Ultra ATA-133 controller card, it has the 128 GB limit, so a 120 GB drive is the optimal choice for it. Newegg has a Seagate 120 GB ATA-100 (8 MB Cache) hard drive for $55. I've got (3) 8600/300s and they were one of Apple's better-designed towers, especially with the large cooling fan in the side panel. I installed a G3/266 MHz processor in one, along with a pair of 4 GB hard drives, an ATI Rage 128 graphics card, and FireWire and USB PCI cards. It runs so well and quietly, that I'm reluctant to part with it - in spite of the fact that I rarely use it anymore. With the hard drive mounting plate on the bottom of the chassis floor, it can accommodate more hard drives than the shortened version of the same mini-tower case, used for the beige G3s.

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Web dude,
Close but no cigars. There are two alignment notches in the ram sticks. They look the same but actually, there is a 1mm difference in the spacing of one notch. Do not try to force the one into the other machine.
As you look at the ram sticks for the 8600, you will notice that in the middle (on most brands - I am sure someone will come up with a brand that does not follow the norm : ') ) is a buffer chip that does not match the other silicon chips.
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B. Chismar,
Where are you located in this big wide world? In the US, university surplus stores, government surplus auctions, thrift stores and recyclers all have SCSI drives kicking around if you look.
The last time I shopped for 4 gig drives they were $5.95. I got one for $5 and found out it did not work. I can probably take it back and trade out for another.
School districts also through out old computers that have smaller drives. And, there is always eBay. Good luck.
Jim

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Welcome to Apple Discussions!
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The long and winding road...
Voila!...it's working again. First of all, I want to thank everyone for their time and input--I tried it all. The final equation to the problem; stock VRAM.
Frustrated to no end, I wandered through the door of "Mc2", a local Mac shop (20+ years) in the nearby northern Monterey coastal burg of Soquel, CA. The shop always keeps a few older Mac's of various releases in the back for bits & pieces salvaging along with a couple of grey-hair techies who've been through it all.
The first thing asked was whether the "line" I was experiencing on the desktop had been accompanied by gradual pixel degradation over a a number of startups--it had! He responded by stating on the 85/86/9600 series motherboards VRAM serve as a through-put point, regardless of the Video card installed. He suggested "A faulty chip, especially with newer LCD monitors, will often manifest itself with a vertical line down the monitor." Additionally, he suggested this problem can also be confused as an indicator of a faulty LCD screen, BUT if the line moves with the mouse scroll or can be changed by pixel resolution/screen refresh rates, it suggests faulty VRAM--memory that should to be left in these machines for video stability. He suggested they should not be mixed and matched and need to be replaced in matching pairs.
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