PowerMac G4 doesnt boot with Mac Os 9/Tiger

Hi all, so I have a G3 and a G4. On the G3 I can boot without problems Mac OS 9 Retail, on the G4 instead I cant boot Mac OS 9 or Tiger (always Retail version).
The only boot i can do on the G4 is Ubuntu...
I tried so many ways, c, pram, reset-nvram/-all, installing Mac Os 9 on the hd by G3 but without solution...
Some ideas?

Hi, elect86 -
Re OS 9 -
Your G4 (Gigabit Ethernet) model can not use an OS 9.0 Install CD, nor an OS 9.2.2 Install CD.
It originally came with a model-specific version of OS 9.0.4. It should be able to boot to the Software Install CD that came with it, which uses that OS.
It should also be able to boot to and use a retail OS 9.1 or 9.2.1 Install CD. All retail OS 9 Install CDs have a white label with a large gold 9.
It can not use any OS 9.2.2 Install CD - the only OS 9.2.2 install disks released were ones that shipped with certain Macs, and are model-specific to those machines. There has been no retail OS 9.2.2 Install CD released.
Recommendation - if you do not have the original Software Install CD that came with your G4 (Gigabit Ethernet), obtain a retail OS 9.1 or 9.2.1 Install CD.
Re OSX (Tiger) -
If your disk set for Tiger is a retail set, it would have come on DVDs. If the optical drive on the G4 is not DVD bootable, then the DVD set will not work. There was (may still be) an exchange program for Tiger, to exchange the DVDs for a set of CDs.
Another possibility in that regard is that the firmware on the G4 has not been updated to v. 4.2.8. This can be installed provided the machine has a bootable OS 9.1 (or later, but not OSX) installed on the hard drive.
Article #120068 - G4 Firmware Update 4.2.8
If by chance the Tiger install disk set that you have is one that came with a different model Mac, it will not be usable on your G4 (Gigabit Ethernet) machine.

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[2] The links I've provided all work within Logitech's US website (I just tested). If appropriate, you may want to start fresh from the Logitech home page and find comparable international pages.
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