PR to PO conversion in operation subcontracting

Dear friends,
We are trying this scenario of operation subcontracting.
I have a semi - finish material SM01 on which i m carrying 5 operations. The 20th operation is sub contracting. I do not want to maintain a separate material for this operation. I have done all the necessary settings which are required. I m also getting a PR when a Production order is generated for operation 20.
Now the problem is when i go to convert this PR to PO in ME58 the system gives me an error, "Not possible to determine any components".
I do not understand where i have gone wrong.
The PR document type that is created is NB.
The PO does not take any material even if I try to maintain one.
What can be the possible solution.
Thanking all you for your kind assistance.

Hi pankaj
The concept is like that. You need to send a material out with gate pass to the vendor for that particular P.O.
You might have issued the material from stock for the previous operation so that you will not have a component for that operation. There may be two options.
Options 1) Create a dummy material with MRP type ND so that the planning will not happen and no plan order. keep stock through a movement type update. Allocate this component to the operation in your routing. If the external operations is pre defined.
Option 2 ) Create a dummy material with MRP type ND so that the planning will not happen and no plan order. keep stock through a movement type update. Include this component in P.O while converting from PR. If the external operations is not pre defined.
The component will now appear in ME 2O
Hope this is clear
Regards
J . Saravan

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