PRE 12 archived project opens without sound in PRE 13? Yes, encoding 'activated' in 13.
As above.
I archived a project in PRE 12 on one machine.
I copied the entire archive folder into my /13.0 directory in a new installation with no pre-existing version, on a Win 8.1 laptop, and opened the .prel file there.
Project loaded but...No sound.
Adobe?
Community?
No forward version compatibility? I can't believe that. Of course there's a deadline.
Please advise, thank you.
As above.
I archived a project in PRE 12 on one machine.
I copied the entire archive folder into my /13.0 directory in a new installation with no pre-existing version, on a Win 8.1 laptop, and opened the .prel file there.
Project loaded but...No sound.
Adobe?
Community?
No forward version compatibility? I can't believe that. Of course there's a deadline.
Please advise, thank you.
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Out of options- Why is project burning without sound?
I filmed 6 projects in one week using the same equipment. All edited in final cut pro and exported to DV NTSC quicktime file. Projects were started on different computers and finished on the same one (except for project #3). First round of DVDs burned on different computers- problems with all. One skips, one had music track, but no voice, one had scratchy sound, one had no sound at all.
Project one- reburned on iMac (plenty of space @ 160gb) using iDVD 09. Works fine, made plenty of copies.
Project two- same, made a few copies.
Project three- previous issue- scratchy sound- figured I'd go back to the project and re-export after I burn the others.
Project four- previous issue- no sound. The sound is present in the idvd preview, but a separate dvd player I hear the menu sound, but no project sound. Figured I work out the problem before I move on to the others. So here's what I've tried:
1) Deleted encoded assets
2) permission repair
3) start a new idvd project
4) create a new user account
5) save as disc image and burn with disc utility (btw- the disc image plays in the iMac dvd player WITH sound)
6) bring mov file into MPEG and convert to DV file, bring mov file back to FCP -export sound to audacity- reimport into FCP- export to DV NTSC
7) export file back to tape and reimport into iMovie and share to idvd
8) burn at 1x instead of 4x
9) burn with different set of DVDs (for most of these I've been using Verbatim inkjet printable DVD-R up to 8x)
10) bring dvd to a friend's and check dvd in her player
11) burn dvds on a different computer
meanwhile I've tried burning older projects that I know work and yes, they worked.
The problem doesn't seem to be the dvds, idvd (oh, yea, also uninstalled and reinstalled iLife), the dvd player, the computer. The only thing I can think of is that the file is corrupt, but wouldn't exporting it to tape and reimporting it create a new file that wasn't corrupt- particularly if the sound is working everywhere except on the dvd? Unfortunately, I didn't save the original FCP project so my only other option is to re-edit which if I have to do, I have to do. But I still have three more projects and I'd hate to re-edit all of them.
I'm out of ideas. Has anyone had this problem? Is there something I've missed?
Thanks in advance.Hi
Close to have done everything = me just thinking
• any strange fileformats used eg from iTunes, mp3 , .avi, .wmv etc ?
In iTunes I export out as an Audio-CD .aiff and use this in my movies
.mp3 always converted to .aiff 16-bit 48kHz to be used
• cleaning DVD to brush the laser lens ?
• Sure that Your movie or iDVD is in different formats NTSC/PAL (29.97/25 fps) ?
Else read my list on Quality may be You fins anything useful
*DVD quality*
1. iDVD 08 & 09 has three levels of qualities.
iDVD 6 has the two last ones
• Professional Quality (movies up to 120 min.) - BEST
• Best Performances (movies less than 60 min.) - High quality on final DVD
• High Quality (in iDVD08 or 09) / Best Quality (in iDVD6) (movies up to 120 min.) - slightly lower quality than above
2. From
• FCE/P - Export out as full quality QuickTime.mov (not selfcontaining, no conversion)
• iMovie x-6 - Don't use ”Share/Export to iDVD” = destructive even to movie project and especially so
when the movie includes photos. Instead just drop or import the iMovie movie project icon (with a Star on it) into iDVD theme window.
• iMovie’08 not meant to go to iDVD. Go via Media Browser or rather use iMovie HD 6 from start.
3. I use Roxio Toast™ to make an as slow burn as possibly eg x1 (in iDVD’08 or 09 this can also be set)
This can also be done with (Apple) Disk Util tool.
4. There has to be about or more than 25Gb free space on internal (start-up) hard disk. iDVD can't
use an external one as scratch disk (if it is not start-up disc).
5. Verbatim ( also recommended by many - Taiyo Yuden DVDs - I can’t get hold of it to test )
6. DVD-R (no +R or +/-RW)
7. Keep NTSC to NTSC - or - PAL to PAL when going from iMovie to iDVD
8. Don’t burn more than three DVD at a time - but let the laser cool off for a while befor next batch.
iDVD quality also depends on.
• HOW much free space is there on Your internal (start-up) hard disk. Go for approx 25Gb.
less than 5Gb and Your result will most probably not play.
• What kind of movie project You drop into it. MPEG4 seems to be a bad choice.
other strange formats are .avi, .wmv, .flash etc. Convert to streamingDV first
Also audio formats matters. I use only .aiff or from miniDV tape Camera 16-bit
strange formats often problematic are .avi, .wmv, audio from iTunes, .mp3 etc
Convert to .aiff first and use this in movie project
• What kind of standard - NTSC movie and NTSC DVD or PAL to PAL - no mix.
(If You need to change to do a NTSC DVD from PAL material let JESDeinterlacer3.2.2 do the conversion)
(Dropping a PAL movie into a NTSC iDVD project
(US) NTSC DVDs most often are playable in EU
(EU) PAL DVDs most often needs to be converted to play in US
UNLESS. They are plabacked by a Mac - then You need not to care
• What kind of DVDs You are using. I use Verbatim DVD-R (this brand AND no +R or +/-RW)
• How You encode and burn it. Two settings prior iDVD’08 or 09
Pro Quality (only in iDVD 08 & 09)
Best / High Quality (not always - most often not)
Best / High Performances (most often my choise)
1. go to iDVD pref. menu and select tab far right and set burn speed to x1 (less errors = plays better) - only in iDVD 08 & 09
2. Project info. Select Professional Encoding - only in iDVD 08 & 09.
Region codes.
iDVD - only burn Region = 0 - meaning - DVDs are playable everywhere
DVD Studio pro can set Region codes.
1 = US
2 = EU
Yours Bengt W -
A keyframe h-142 error appears when opening a archived project in Adobe Premiere Elements 10
Whe I tryed to open a archived project in Premiere Element 10 a popup turned up with the message "Premiere Elements has encountered an error <pad>\keyframe\keyframe.h-142.
The project doesn't open.
Can anybody help me, to resolve this error. Is a patch avallable?Stantonc
There is an Adobe document that deals with this specific error message.
Have you seen it and tried it?
http://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-elements/kb/keyframe-h-142-error-opening.html
Please check it out and then let us know if that worked for you.
Thanks.
ATR -
Subject: Are 'Archived' projects in ver. 12 openable in ver. 13? ie. from Adobe Premiere as bundled in Elements and Premiere, their mid-level product.
Can version 13 open up a version 12 archived project?
How about vice versa? Have to be in a couple cities and have different version installations in different locations.
Any insight? Support's closed and I'm heading out of town today, will need to use the 'other' version.
Thank you.The ability to work natively with AVCHD files was not added until version 10, Michiel. So you'll still have to render while you work in version 8.
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No sound from archived project
I pulled up an archived project from my external hard drive. Had burned multiple copies of it before but now want to try it out with my new La Cie burner.... when project loads in iDVD, NO SOUND. No music, no talk...just silence. Checked connections: ok. Played iTunes: ok. Just iDVD with archived project. What gives and how do I fix? iMac computer; 10.4.8 OS. iDVD 6. Intel Core Duo with 2GHZ memory.
pmiller,
The term 'archived' means different things to people.
When you said "I pulled up an archived project from my external hard drive" - do you mean you actually used iDVD 6's File>Archive Project command or do you mean you simply saved the iDVD project (file will have a file extension of .dvdproj).
If you used iDVD 6's File>Archive Project command, ALL the elements that were used to create that DVD are bundled in the archive file - this file will be LARGE.
If you simply saved the iDVD project you haven't really archived it. If you move or delete any of the components from the place they originally were when you created the project, you will probably have problems.
F Shippey -
IDVD 6 archived project won't open
I've created and burnt an iDVD6 project to DVD. I then archived (File>Archive project) the project (8.49GB) but afterwards it won't open (either by double-clicking or from iDVD>File>Open or from the splash window "Open an Existing Project") in iDVD6. I've done checked/repaired permissions but no good. I tried opening it in iDVD 5 but won't open either.
any ideas appreciatedI've created a new iDVD6 project from scratch PAL wide screen to standard DVD5 size, saved the project file and saved the project as an archive (21GB). I've got two movies (one is around 59' and the other is an iPhoto slideshow exported as a QT movie of about 10'. All up the image comes in at 4.1GB after compression.
Here's a few scenerious I've tried:
(1) When I double-click in the Finder either the project or the archive files I simply get the iDVD6 'splash screen' menu becomes foremost/active but the file doesn't open. Sometimes I get two splash screen menus one overlaid directly on top of the other, but is modal and I get a system beep if I try to access the lower one. Doesn't happen every time but fairly often. Don't know what invokes it.
(2) If I open iDVD6 and at the splash screen: I choose Open an Existing Project and select the project file. The file opens and then the splash screen comes foremost with the proj file behind but I can't select it and get the system beep if I try.
(3) In iDVD6 I can open the project file normally from File>Open but the archive won't open from File>Open. Sometimes I get a "loading themes" progress bar and that's it.
I've checked ownership privs/perms and applied Other rwx to all just in case. Still no good
I'm going to try taking the archive across to my PBG4 1.67GHz laptop to see what happens there
weird -
Archiving Projects that use Nested Sequences
I'm looking for some help using Project Manager to archive projects that use nested sequences.
I work at the University of Michigan, we are wrapping up a study that is based on files from many Premiere Pro projects. Each project started with 150 to 160 min of video footage from two cameras.
Of this we have edited down to a 10 – 20min finished sequence containing footage from both cameras as a two-camera shoot. I want to archive eachproject (to save HDD space) retaining only the used sections of footage in thePPro archived project, allowing us to make minor edits to the projects.
My workflow has been to rely heavily on nested sequences throughout each project. From two sequences containing all of the footage from Camera1 and Camera2 all the way to the final cut sequence everything is dependent on a series of interim nested sequences. So the last sequence “Final” is based/linked on the very first sequences. When I attempt toarchive this using Project Manager the nested sequence edits are not recognized as individual clips. I either end up with all of the original footage or no footage. I’m not sure how (if?) I can archive these projects in a way to eliminate all but the final file footage segments with 30 frame handles.
Can anyone point me in the right direction or offer some advice?figure for $1000/terabyte drive
Alot less than that, you can get a good Dual HD enclosure for $100 and probably less than that, and 500 Gig Drives for about $250 a piece, so assume about $600 without shopping too hard.
I find it is alot easier to use HDs, and have a couple of copies for important projects. You can use the other items as another backup (never can have too many) and going to be easier than having to recapture, especially if there was dropped framess or timecode issues. Guess it comes down too how often do you have to go back annd re-edit a wedding DVD once it is done, and what will make your like easier when it is said and done, but if it happens, on the HD just open it up, otherwise you have to recapture the tapes which is a couple of hours at least it sounds like.
As to archieve DVDs, who knows. There have been claims that the original CDs were to last 100 years, some of the ones I bought when they first came out started to go a few years ago. Same for some other media. -
Dear Adobe Forum,
I have the following problem, please help:
I would like to import avi clips in adobe premiere. All clips have the same avi codec. But unfortunately my adobe premiere does not import the sound of a few
avi clips. It is wired because about 10 out 70 avi clips which have all the same avi codec does not work with sound in premiere CS5. In the timline premiere import the video and audio line but there are no audio waves in the about 10 avi clips. additonally premiere plays the 10 avi clips in the source monitor without sound. Furthermore when I open the 10 avi files without adobe premiere they have sound, but with premiere there are no sound in the 10 avi clips.
What can I do, so that I can import all avi files with sound. I do not want to convert each of the avi files because then they have not a good quality and it is to complicated and it takes to much time to convert all files in this video project and in the other video project in my future.
Consequently How can I import all avi files so that they have immediately sound? Do I have to change some premiere settings?
Thank you in advance
LeonardoNow I show you details of 2 files:
the first video clip which you can import with sound (works):
Video:
1280 x 720
data rate: 4259 kBit/s
total bitrate: 4387 kBit / s
Single bit rate: 29 single images / second
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
File size : 63.5 MiB
Duration : 2mn 1s
Overall bit rate : 4 388 Kbps
ID : 0
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15
Codec ID : H264
Duration : 2mn 1s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 4 248 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 4 001 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.154
Stream size : 61.4 MiB (97%)
Audio:
Bitrate: 128 kBit/s
Channels: 2 (stereo)
sampling rate: 48 kHz
ID : 1
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version : Version 4
Format profile : LC
Format settings, SBR : No
Codec ID : FF
Duration : 2mn 1s
Bit rate : 128 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Stream size : 1.85 MiB (3%)
Alignment : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration : 21 ms (0.64 video frame)
the second video clip which you can import without sound (doesn't work with sound):
Video:
1280 x 720
data rate: 4278 kBit/s
total bitrate: 4406 kBit / s
Single bit rate: 29 single images / second
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
File size : 69.3 MiB
Duration : 2mn 11s
Overall bit rate : 4 407 Kbps
ID : 0
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15
Codec ID : H264
Duration : 2mn 11s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 4 267 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 4 001 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.154
Stream size : 67.1 MiB (97%)
Audio:
Bitrate: 128 kBit/s
Channels: 2 (stereo)
sampling rate: 48 kHz
ID : 1
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version : Version 4
Format profile : LC
Format settings, SBR : No
Codec ID : FF
Duration : 2mn 11s
Bit rate : 128 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Stream size : 2.01 MiB (3%)
Alignment : Split accross interleaves
Interleave, duration : 21 ms (0.64 video frame)
Consequently, as you can see, they have both nearly the same information
Both video clips have the following audio codec:
AAC
In the folder where all raw video clips exist there are a few new files with the codec ending: .AVD ("the name of the file".AVD)
But the 2 video clips mentioned above does not have any files like .AVD oder something else like that. But the first one works and the second one doesnt work. -
Getting "Media Offline" After Archived Project to HDD to Another Computer
Hello,
How do you avoid getting media offline when transferring a project to another computer's C drive?
I use PrE9 and decided to transfer my project to another computer for performance purposes. I archived the project (copy, not trim) to an external hard drive first, making sure to synchronize the drive letters of the HDD in both old/new computers beforehand. Working from the external drive is fine -- no media offline issues -- but I wanted to transfer the archived project to my new computer's C drive. After doing so, the project is now riddled with media offline messages. I'd rather not deal with the clips individually as there are too many.
What step(s) am I missing? I'm sure it's easy, but this amateur has a lot to learn.Well, when one changes the drive letter (or any part of the Absolute Path) with linked media, the first time that the Project has been Opened, those links will be broken. PrE should give you the dialog screen, asking "Where is file ____ ?" This article goes into much more detail: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/990503?tstart=0
There are also some tid-bits in these articles, that might be helpful:
Media Offline: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/790686?tstart=30
Project Files and Saving: http://forums.adobe.com/message/3397716#3397716
Good luck, and hope those links help.
Hunt -
Not sure what I did but projects are not showing up in the video window as i skim... Event footage does but project footage has sound but the video screen is gray... How do I get the vido to show in the viewer?
So you can ping and nslookup from your ms to these agents and vice versa right? I wouldn't do a manual install, I would push the agent from the management server. You can uninstall the agent manually, or use cleanmom to get rid of them. Then
do an install from the console. When you initiate the install from the console (management server), should it run into any issues it will dump out an error which will give you an idea of where the problem may be.
From Holmans post on this:
e MOM Server could not execute WMI Query "Select * from Win32_OperatingSystem" on
computer “servername.domain.com”
Operation: Agent Install
Install account: DOMAIN\account
Error Code: 800706BA
Error Description: The RPC server is unavailable.
The MOM Server could not execute WMI Query "(null)” on
computer “servername.domain.com”
Operation: Agent Install
Install account: DOMAIN\account
Error Code: 800706BA
Error Description: The RPC server is unavailable.
8004100A
800706BA
1. Ensure agent push account has local admin rights
2. Firewall is blocking NetBIOS access. If Windows 2008 firewall is enabled, ensure “Remote Administration (RPC)” rule is enabled/allowed. We need port 135 (RPC) and the DCOM port range opened for console push through a firewall.
3. Inspect WMI service, health, and rebuild repository if necessary
4. Firewall is blocking ICMP (Live OneCare)
5. DNS incorrect
http://blogs.technet.com/b/kevinholman/archive/2009/01/27/console-based-agent-deployment-troubleshooting-table.aspx
Regards, Blake Email: mengotto<at>hotmail.com Blog: http://discussitnow.wordpress.com/ If my response was helpful, please mark it as so, if it answered your question, then please also mark it accordingly. Thank you. -
Hi there community!
I have recorded alot of footage on a digital Harinezumi 3 camera and have run into a problem in post production.
Some of the footage is recorded with sound, and plays fine. However, with most of the footage, i chose to turn the recording of sound off. These files without sound will not play in any player, even when Perian is installed.
These are the specs of the video I have been able to find out.
File type: .AVI
Video Stream: JPEG
This is all I can find out, so I am thinking it is an M-JPEG file rendered as an AVI file. VLC player says it can not play the video or audio format 'undf', whatever that means. Another player says it needs a .moov encoder, but I do not see how this is possible. I have also tried attaching audio to it via Logic 9 with no success.
I am at a loss, and I really need this footage for a project. Any ideas?
Thanks for any help!!It won't let me post the video in the forum, so here is a link to it in dropbox.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k4nz8mg18p4thzd/Mountain%203.AVI?n=145237283
Accessed the file at dropbox. Played the DropBox "display" file in scripted player, played the same resource file using the Safari plug-in, and then downloaded the resource file using the QT 7 Pro "Open URL" option only to learn that this file was an H.264 transcode and not your original file. Used the DropBox download option to download the original Motion JPEG file in AVI file container. File plays as is in both QT X v10.2 and QT 7 v7.6.6 players under Mountain Lion v10.8.4 on my system.
Motion JPEG is one of the "lagacy" codec components turned off under Lion and which remains turned off under Mountain Lion. However, as I understand it, Motion JPEG files are supposed to be passively supported (playback supported) under these systems but requires the codec to be turned back on if you wish to export files using this codec. I turned both Motion JPEG and Motion PNG codecs back on quite a while back and have Perian installed which, as you can see, supplied the OpenDML version of the Motion JPEG codec component to actually play your file on my system. Unfortunately, since QT uses a LIFO codec component list generation strategy, I would have to remove Perian to test whether or not the system configured Motion JPEG component would then become the active decoder. (Did this a year or two ago but not willing to do so again at this time.)
Suffice it to say, the file should play in QT on your Mountain Lion system assuming the correct version of Perian is installed, it is actually active, and you have no conflicting software or hardware installed on your system. Have posted an MOV file containing your Motion JPEG video data in case you want to see if it will play correctly on your system.
http://downloads.walker4.me/downloads/Temporary_files/Mountain%203.mov -
Is there a way to have two separate projects open in different windows?
On my old editing software, I could have two separate projects open at the same time. I could copy clips from Project A, click over to Project B, and paste the Project A clips to Project B. Is there a way to have two separate projects open with Premiere Elements, or will I have to just import and trim every clip within the same project?
Welcome to the forum.
Unfortunately, PrE will not allow two Projects to be open at the same time. It will also not allow multiple instances of PrE to be open.
The workaround, to accomplish what you describe, is to use a ClipBoard Extender, such as ClipMate, which will allow one to Copy a Timeline, or parts of it, from one Project, then Close that one, to Open another one, and Paste the material, that was Copied. Many users employee ClipMate, or similar, to Copy/Paste material from one Project, to another.
Good luck,
Hunt -
Importing archived project from DVD
I used burn disk to arcive a project to a DVD. That seemed to work fine.
I then started a new project and tried to import the "archived project from the DVD and I keep getting this error:
The file could not be imported: The file “Macintosh Hard Disk/Volumes/Media Drive/Home movies/Billie Jo awards” can’t be imported; QuickTime couldn’t parse it: -43
So far I am unable to import this DVD or anything else into iMovie
Any Ideas?
DavidYour Archived DVD Project will only open in iDVD.
To access the video you will need the burned copy of the DVD
To import your DVD you will need a DVD ripper. I use Mac the ripper http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/22715.
If you want to only import the video (to edit or watch on your computer) chose in mode chapter extraction and select the ones you want (yes you can select them all). Then you will need to condvert the .VOB file (found in the video_TS file) to a .MOV or H264 using FFMpegX http://ffmpegx.com/download.html. If the binaries dont work just press cancel (you dont need them for this conversion). Then import your .MOV or .MP4 file into iMovie.
That should do it
eMac Mac OS X (10.4.8) 1.42Ghz PPC G4 -
How to block reusage of archived Project definition and WBS element numbers
Dear All,
We have archived our projects using the TC SARA and the Project definition and WBS elements numbers no more exist in tables PROJ and PRPS etc.. When I now try to create a new project, the system proposes the next open number or allows to enter a number which is the same as one of the archived projects. But in our organization we cannot reuse the Project definition and WBS element numbers (even if it is archived) as a rule.
Can anybody guide me what are the possibilities to block or avoid the reusage of the numbers of archived project definition and WBS elements in a fool-proof way?
Thanks and regardsOne Workaround:
Use T code OPSJ and lock the project coding mask. Doing this you can not use this mask any more.
But you want to continue using the mask but with different numbers. Not sure how this can be acheived. lets wait for others view
Regards
Sreenivas -
A magazine's app on my iPad has stopped working. When I open the Newsstand folder and click on the app, the screen dims briefly, then returns to the Newsstand folder. The other app in my Newsstand folder (Wall Street Journal) opens without any problem, and this magazine's app opens just fine on my wife's iPad.
I have deleted the app and reinstalled it from the Apple store and that makes no difference. I have also done a hard reboot on my iPad with no result.
Any thoughts about what might be wrong?Hey everyone in Apple world!
I figured out how to fix the flashing yellow screen problem that I've been having on my MBP! Yessssss!!!
I found this super handy website with the golden answer: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379
I followed the instructions on this page and here's what I did:
Resetting NVRAM / PRAM
Shut down your Mac.
Locate the following keys on the keyboard: Command (⌘), Option, P, and R. You will need to hold these keys down simultaneously in step 4.
Turn on the computer.
Press and hold the Command-Option-P-R keys before the gray screen appears.
Hold the keys down until the computer restarts and you hear the startup sound for the second time.
Release the keys.
I went through the 6 steps above twice, just to make sure I got rid of whatever stuff was holding up my bootup process. Since I did that, my MBP boots up just like normal. No flashing yellow screen anymore!!
(Note that I arrived at this solution when I first saw this page: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2570?viewlocale=en_US)
Let me know if this works for you!
Elaine
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