PRE FADER/POST FADER

Okay I set up a dry vocal track. I set up a PRE FADER SEND (yes it's green & I have it centered) to AUX BUS 1. On AUX BUS 1 I set up reverb. Now I solo the dry track and it should remain dry. Fine it doesn't it has reverb. I solo the aux track. Fine it's just reveb. Now I hit mute on dry track with reverb solo'd and I hear nothing. Shouldn't I be hearing the reverb alone since I set up the dry vocal track with a PRE FADER SEND or is this a case of Apple reinventing the wheel as a square again?

Tiki Edit wrote:
Okay I set up a dry vocal track. I set up a PRE FADER SEND (yes it's green & I have it centered) to AUX BUS 1. On AUX BUS 1 I set up reverb. Now I solo the dry track and it should remain dry.
No. It should not. why do you think it should? It is pre-fader, not pre-mute. It still sends to the reverb, and that reverb is not muted. To mute the reverb, you must mute the Aux it's on.
Fine it doesn't it has reverb. I solo the aux track. Fine it's just reveb. Now I hit mute on dry track with reverb solo'd and I hear nothing. Shouldn't I be hearing the reverb alone since I set up the dry vocal track with a PRE FADER SEND or is this a case of Apple reinventing the wheel as a square again?
Mute is post send. Only fader is pre send, so moving the fader won't affect the send level. Soloing a track will also solo any auxes that track sends to.

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Got it, I see, yes. My mistake was in thinking muting the BVX Aux would mute the send to the DEL Aux, because it's been a long day mixing and I was not thinking this out. Thanks for that!
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Thanks for clearing this up. Thought I was going crazy. Well, I kind of was...;)
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