Pre intel iBook
I have just ordered a new MacBook Pro and am waiting for it to arrive. I am unsure what my options are with my old pre-intel iBook G3 It came loaded with the first version of OS9 and the first version of OSX. I booted into OSX once years ago but honestly can't remember how it's done now; I'm still running OS9.2.1. My question is; what can I do with the machine now? It is still very much usable and really an awesome computer but of course I can't upgrade any of my software anymore.
Thanks in advance for your advice
Well by comparison it certainly is. But tiny compared to the 250GB one on my MBP--largely chosen because I could not keep everything I wanted to on the iBook. And I did find that long exchange between you and Cornelius very illuminating.
But here, I was trying to think of a way for the OP to make his old iBook more useful for his son. And we still have no idea how old the son is--he could be quite young, perhaps still in single digits. For a young son, computing needs would be very much different than, say, for a teen age son. A very young son might just need a collection of educational games or something along that line to start out with. And the OS would just need to support those games. An older son might benefit from having Panther installed. I feel the father really would like to make this work out for his son without saddling him with something that is too obsolete. Panther is certainly an OS that should be able to do anything that a first time computer user of any age might want to do--a lot of people still run Panther as their only OS. But I wasn't sure if this particular iBook would run Panther satisfactorily. Nor do I know if OS9 would work well enough for the son.
Hopefully the dad will post back with a little more information about both the iBook and the son's age so it will be possible to give more specific advice.
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Reading these Apple Support documents will help clarify what you need to purchase:
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And it kills me that a friend who has pc computers and just has an iphone and ipad can breeze through all this with no problem and he still has XP. So Apple goes back and helps old OS for pc but not for it's own kind!!!
Richard, I agree with you 1,000%. I wrote this in a forum a few weeks ago, when a user was complaining about Snow Leopard not supporting iCloud:
Why is it that if I bought a Mac before July of this year, I must pay to upgrade my operating system in order to take advantage of iCloud? Meanwhile, a Windows Vista SP2 user, who bought a new computer in May 2009, already has everything they need on their computer to use iCloud.
Why was it possible for Apple to write a free iCloud Control Panel that was compatible with existing versions of Windows, but Mac users must buy an entirely new operating system?
If Apple gave Mac users the same amount of backwards compatibility that it gives to Windows users, people with OSX 10.5 (Leopard) would be able to use iCloud. That's something to think about the next time you go to purchase a new computer.
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I wish I knew how to start a petition requesting that Mac users get comparable treatment as PC users. But then again, shouldn't that go without saying?
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