Prelude Vs Lightroom

I am soon to travel to Europe for 3 months. I will be taking photos and videos of my trip. One output will be a movie made with Premiere Pro after I get home. I have been experimenting with Lightroom 4 and Prelude 1 as a mechanism to copy the video to my laptop. LR gives me the option of automatically sequentially renaming the video files on import and imports the MTS files only. Prelude does not automatically find the video files amd does not allow me to automatically rename the files. Prelude imports the entire directory structure from the card. This is slightly larger than the LR import. Prelude is also significantly slower.
I will be doing no video editing whilst I travel but my wife might like to look at the raw files. I can do this with Windows Media Player. Prelude allows me to make a rough cut and show that but I think it is a lot of effort for little gain. It also allows me to comment on each clip but if I rename them they are really self explanatory.
LR gives me the opportunity to make some adjustments which I may or may not feel inclined to do. Prelude does not.
Prelude does give me dynamic link to Premiere Pro so it is a trivial step to start the final production but the import dialogue from PP is very good and starting from scratch using the MTS files imported by LR is not much harder. No matter what I will still need to import stills into PP.
At this time I cannot see a reason to load Prelude onto my laptop.
Am I missing something important?

Lightroom is the way to go. I have recently completed a trip and this was the simplist solution.
What is really going to help you is metadata.
You should make sure that Lightroom does not strip out the metadata from your movie files on import.
Once imported you should be able to add keywords and other relevant data like GPS (the map function in Lr works brilliantly - simply drag a file over the map and the GPS info is added).
When you bring the files into Pr technically all of the metadata and keywords you applied should be present. I've never been able to make this work in Pr but it works great in FCP X, though sadly this is not what I usually edit with.
I'm hoping that the Pr/Pl CC versions will resolve metadata transfer.
Good luck and enjoy Europe.

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Michael,
I thought that might be the case. Sigh!
Well, as far as I can tell, if I were you, I would offer it with an alI I-Frame option first. That would probably be the easiest to implement cleanly. Those who can shoot that way would probably start shooting that way. Me included.
Then, take the AVCHD from a few of the most popular cameras, Canon, Nikon and of course, the Panasonic DMC-GH3 (my camera) and whatever video cameras are popular right now. Back up to the beginning of the long GOP and finish at the end of the long GOP. There is no need to get too specific with frames for subclips. After all, anyone who does not leave handles on their subclips while ingesting gets what they deserve anyway. In fact, there should be an option to always add one second of handles to every subclip. Personally I would leave that on as a default.
As for me, I recently posted a few videos using different codecs for people to download to test them. The links can be found in this forum post along with a short discussion: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1239519?tstart=0
I usually use 50Mb/s 60p using the MOV format, but if I was to shoot anything serious, I would probably shoot 72Mb/s 24p. Keep in mind, that if Adobe made it possible to ingest subclips without transcoding,I would change what I shot to all I-Frame for almost everything, either at 30p or 24p. And if you did it for my 60fps MOV files, I would be ecstatic.
I don't shoot AVCHD but I suppose that so many people do that the moment you gave the feature to all I-Frame shooters, there would be a huge clamor for AVCHD.
In my opinion, this could be a major game changer and everyone who could would start using Prelude without a second thought. Like photographers are flocking to Lightroom 5, this would be the videographers Lightroom. Reelroom? Naw. Prelude is a good enough name.

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Hi Mike
Thanks for your response.
Actually this is my first time working with the file based system. XDCAM. Usually the guys give me a single video file for footage and use it just it straight up.
But since I was given an XDCAM I did a search and came across this post. So being my first time not sure how helpful I can be but let me give you my current workflow so maybe this can help answer your question above.
I don't work with producers or directors I work with the end user or "viewer" as the case may be. So they are not technical and I can not tell them to get a copy of prelude and mark it up for me.
What I do is take the raw footage and transcode to a web friendly size ( at this point quality is not the issue but cut points are) and load them up to my site for the client to review and give me notes according to timecode.
Now when I load 20 of these up there and need to link them to my pages I like the files to be something I can understand. So I don't have to write down some sort of reference sheet so I can put the correct video on the correctly worded page.
Of course I can easily batch transcode in media encoder but it is nice to be able to view the files as a group in prelude. (and would be nice to) rename each one while I am looking at it and know what clip it is. then transcode all in one step renanming the originals as an alias if you like in the project panel but would like my transcoded files to be renamed also for the upload.
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p.s. I'm an amateur in this. I've been taking pics for 58 years (since I was 7), but I'm not a pro.   So my needs probably won't match a pro's needs.

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Photoshop and Premiere, and several other Adobe products are essentially products with a legacy approach - incredibly powerful tools for single purpose.   Historically, products and people were pretty much single purporse...
Photoshop did photography stuff and Premiere did video stuff.   Photographers and video guys (and ladies) were two different groups with two different languages. And there are also audio guys who did audio stuff, writing guys who did writing stuff, drawing guys who did drawing stuff, and web guys who did web stuff.
At the Pro level this is still true. But for many Pros and most amateurs, this single-purpose world doesn't exist exist any more. We wear multiple hats.   The tools (like the GH2) capture mutiple types of media.   The GH3 will extend this. Portable audio mini-recorders like the Zoom H1 extend it further. Powerful, easy to use script-writing tools like Celtx extend it further.   And then we have the internet...
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OK... /Rant = OFF.
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