Premiere CS4 Quick render

Windows 7 Ultimate
Premiere CS4
Ram 6MB
Working with 1920x1080 footage
Gentlemen !
I am working on a 5 mnis song , each time I send it to AME to render or export to AME it takes atleast 5 to 6 hours to render, Obviuosly I try to stay native with my output file, but sometimes I choose DV NTSC for the output file.
My question is, is there any way to choose a different format for output file, that would take less time to render ? I mean just to check my colors and effects and etc.
What i mean by that is ,my system is not that powerful to handle HD footage very well, so I have to render my footage so I can check all effects and etc.

About if I change the output file's size to a smaller size ?
the prob with that is that you're still dealing with your original asset(s) ( video) and now compressing it and downscaling it etc, and the program has to work pretty hard to do all those calculations and make the product...( like h264 or wmv or whatever )
so its still the same problem re: strain on your computer stuff and time involved....plus you wont know for sure if that "translation" is gonna be as good product re: transistions etc...
lets say you have effects that need the program to "tween" frames..create frames in between your original frames...well....in the math etc and compression algorithyms ( sp? ) that makes that happen from one codec to another is different...and maybe your "color" and overall quality wont give you an " honest" translation compared to if you just export for your final product ( the high res ). Plus, to do the downscaling and so on is actually MORE of a strain on resources maybe...its not a given that by making it smaller it is gonna take less time to export...might take LONGER
know what I mean? it might be close and good enough for what you want to do with your particular output...but I wouldnt trust it myself if I had to give it to someone and stand by it ...
so youre stuck with long exports is what it sounds like, and thank goodness you can even get THAT done !

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