Premiere CS4 with Media Encoder CS5?

Hi,
When I was given my CS4 suite (production premium) years back, it included Premire Pro. Then, when I told my boss I needed to upgrade to CS5, he purchased the Web Premium Suite. This was fine, for the most part, as Illustrator, Flash, and Photoshop are the main programs I use, but we just recently got a video project that is giving me some issues.
We created what turned out being a 4 min + video. After some trial and error we settled on creating multiple segments in Flash and exporting them as uncompressed MOV files from Flash. Then we brought all of those MOV files together in a premiere pro project. The problem seems to occur when I export out an MP4 video from Premire Pro CS4. Premiere launches Media Encoder CS4 and then creates the MP4. The MP4 plays on a cellular device like we want it to, but it will not display a thumbnail/preview of the video when viewing the video in the phones gallery.
We have tried some other tests, and if we export out an MOV or AVI from Flash CS5 then convert that to an MP4 using Media Encoder CS5, there suddenly seems to be a thumbnail on the phone for the video. After multiple tests, it appears the problem might be related to which version of Media Encoder our final MP4 is produced in. ME CS4 - No thumbnail. ME CS5 - thumbnail.
The problem is, we HAVE to use Premiere as our final compiling tool, but I cant seem to get a Premiere Pro CS4 file to work with Media Encoder CS5.
Any thoughts???
Thanks,
Justin

but to automatically open up AME CS5 ... hmmm.. maybe a hack?
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Thanks for the message Hunt.
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