Premiere Elements 12: Rendering not on the exact frames

Question

I'm using Premiere Elements 12 and cutting MOV files in most cases.
Now I detected that PE isn't rendering always correctly: In some cases the rendered file shows at the end of a clip 1 more frame than in it shows in the cutting window.
Meaning: The original MOV clip contains 2 scenes. I import the MOV file into my PE12 project and put it into the cutting window.
Then I'm moving the viewing bar of the cutting window exactly to the end of scene 1 and click "cut".
When I separate both scenes in the cutting window, PE12 show exactly the result I want to get: scene 1 ends with the last frame of scene 1, scene 2 starts with the first frame of scene 2.
Then I delete scene 2 and render scene 1 to a MP4 file.
When viewing the result file in any player (e.g. Windows Medie Player, VLC, Quicktime), all these players show at the end of scene 1 the first frame of the original scene 2.
Again: even if I couldn't see this first frame of scene 2 in the cutting window!
So the cutting window doesn't show EXACTLY the result I will get!
I already tries different ways of importing the original MOV files, different codecs and so on - nothing helped.
In roughly 50% the cuts of the final file are like planned, the other 50% of cuts show one frame too much at the end of a scene.
Problem: In a lot of cases the scenes are already very short, so I can't give always "one frame plus" before I cut: sometimes I really need every single frame.
And I can't believe that a programm like Premiere Elements should not be able to cut exactly at the frame where it is supposed to!
So does anyone have a clou what I'm doing wrong?
Or this this a knows issue of PE?
Thanks in advance!

Answer 1

Dear ATR,
I now found some time to check this out.
Let me describe exactly what I'm doing:
Source file is a MOV file full HD.
Drag & drop it onto the timeline.
Set half frame option (is it called "field"?) to "reduce flickering" - because if I don't (default option: "none"), the rendered result is not that stable, meaning the picture is totterling a little. Is this normal? Could this setting cause the trouble with the last frame at cutting/rendering?
Switched Timeline to frame display instead of timecode.
By the way: this CTRL + clicking the area above the Timeline doesn't work ...
Moved the Timeline bar with the arrow keys to the position where I want to cut; the Monitor Window above the Timeline showed the first frame of scene 2. Doublechecked by moving the cursor with the arrow keys one frame forward and back again to really got the right position (twice). Clicked "cut" icon on Timeline.
Repeated the same at the end of scene 2 - the Monitor showed the first frame of scene 3.
Moved scene 2 to another position on the Timeline with the mouse (drag & drop).
Checked cuts on the timeline: scene 2 showed the first and last frame as it should.
Repeated all this with 10 scenes from the original MOV file, brought all of them into a new position and thus order.
Deleted the rest of the original MOV file from the timeline.
Put the 10 scenes together, placed them at the left side of the Timeline.
Rendered the result.
Settings: AVCHD - MP4
PAL, 1920 x 1080 px, 30 fps, Widescreen 16:9, Profile: High, Level: 5.0
rendern with max depth: "no"
VBR, 2-path
target: 15 mbps
max: 25 mbps
Audio; AAC, stereo, 48 Khz, Quality: high, 160 kbps
Priority: Bitrate
The result file showes on 4 of 10 scenes that one frame too much at the end of the cut scene.
And it always happens at the same scenes, not randomly!
So it does not depend if I'm viewing frames or timecode in the Timeline. Surprise!
But what I detected: When I'm using a "new project", this issue does not occur!!!
So I looked at the project settings: The "new project" I let the default settings be, because it I should import a file and drag this to the Timeline, the software would give me a message if the project settings should not match.
Default settings are: NTSC-ADCHD-AVCHD 1080p60.
But what I normally do is using a template file with all my intro, outro, audio, logo and so on, copy that *.prel file where I want to edit it, rename it and then open this copied prel file. Here I the project settings show:
HD 1080i, 25 fps, 1920 x 1080 (I guess I once selected this under PAL because there is no PAL 1080p25 oder 30, just 1080p50). And I'm from Germany, so I chose PAL instead of NTSC ...
So I guess this makes a difference - even if I do not have a clue, why.
Big question now: How can I chance my project settings in my template file without making it anew?
Because I cannot copy all the objects from one project to another, right? At least I never managed to do so...
To built the template anew would take about 6 hours, and on this basic template are based 6 more templates for special formats. So makeing all templates anew would cost me up to 2-3 days!!!
So I really hope for a better solution
Kind regards,
Lutz