Print with preview different than image using ICC's

Hello;
I am using CS2. Suddenly when I print with preview and choose "any" icc profile, I see an off color image. This off color image is printed off color and not what I originally had. It is approximately 1/2 to one stop density lighter (and redder) and the shadows are cyan/blue, instead of neutral black.
If I choose Adobe RGB as the profile and print, the image is close but not correct. This is happening with CS2 and elements 6.
Of course the r1800 is set for ICM and off - no color adjustment.
I have down loaded new profiles, reinstalled my epson r1800, checked for missing files in CS2.
I am running windows XP Home, 2gig memory, dell xps. I have been using this system for over two years without a problem until now.
Does any one know where I can check for the problem and how to correct for it?
Thanks

On Sat, 10 May 2008 09:44:44 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
Ok, it's not ink, so I'll take another shot at this one.
> I am using CS2. Suddenly when I print with preview and choose "any" icc
> profile, I see an off color image. This off color image is printed off
> color and not what I originally had. It is approximately 1/2 to one stop
> density lighter (and redder) and the shadows are cyan/blue, instead of
> neutral black.
I can't determine whether you mean the print preview dialog's image, or the
preview that is optionally displayed by the Epson driver. The preview
shown by the Epson driver (as opposed to the one shown in the CS2 print
preview dialog) is misleading. The reason is that the RGB values for the
printer are being displayed directly on your monitor. Epsons tend to print
a bit on the cool side, so it's normal for the image to have an overall
reddish look to it.
You say two other things that seem ambiguous to me. One is that if you
choose "any" icc profile, the colors change. Does this include your
monitor profile, and other profiles such as sRGB and Adobe RGB? If they
all appear the same, then I would suspect that something is highly out of
kilter here - for example that you have ICC enabled in your printer driver
settings and are double profiling. The second thing is that the final
printed output matches the off color preview image. I have no explanation
for this, other than random coincidence.
It's hard to be definitve, about either of the above points, because I'm
not sure which preview image you are referring to.
> If I choose Adobe RGB as the profile and print, the image is close but
> not correct. This is happening with CS2 and elements 6.
Printing to Adobe RGB should produce very subdued colors, yet you are
seeing close to normal colors. Again, a puzzle that would cause me to
check your printer driver settings. It is very easy to double profile, and
with Epson's this almost always produces a magenta image.
> Of course the r1800 is set for ICM and off - no color adjustment.
For Windows, I'm used to the Epson drivers providing you with about four
choices, which include a "no color adjustment" choice, manual,
PhotoEnhance, and an "ICM" choice. On the Mac, I believe you can select
ICM from a pulldown, then disable color adjustment with a separate check
box which disables the pulldown. If you could explain this descrepancy
that might be helpful.
> I have down loaded new profiles, reinstalled my epson r1800, checked for
> missing files in CS2.
Next step is to reset your prefs - hold down shift, ctrl, alt during
startup and say yes when it asks for your first born child.
> I am running windows XP Home, 2gig memory, dell xps. I have been using
> this system for over two years without a problem until now.
>
> Does any one know where I can check for the problem and how to correct
> for it? Thanks
Read Ian Lyons's web page on how to set up your color prefs
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ps9_colour/ps9_1.htm
After resetting your prefs, and going over your color settings, I would
advise you to do a systematic test as follows:
o Set your printer, and photoshop's working space to sRGB mode
o Create a one inch by 8 inch neutral gradient
o Print it, and verify that the gradient is reasonably neutral, and about
the right brightness.
o Set your printer to no color correction
o Have Photoshop print using the profile for your printer
o If the gradient looks wrong - too dark, or with color casts as you
descrive, the problem may be a bad profile. Use Curvemeister's profile
plotter to get an idea of the quality of the profile, whether it has abrupt
breaks, etc.
http://curvemeister.com/downloads/profileplotter/dercurvemeisterprofileplotter.zip
If you decide the profile is bad, and cannot find another one, then live
with PhotoEnhance mode over sRGB, and specify sRGB as the printer profile
in Photoshop. Work that way until you find a better profile.
Mike Russell - http://www.curvemeister.com

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