Printing a booklet, my pdf includes the bleed within the page size

I produce a 24 page document, and have just tried to used the print booklet command to create the printer spreads, rather than imposing manually, printing to a PDF.
However the final pdf pages are set to A3, including the bleed marks, and this means that the final printed product ends up being smaller than A3 after cropping.
When doing this manually, I had a PDF preset I was using.  I have found a way to get that preset into the Booklet setup, but the final pdf page size is still too small.

Under page scaling in the print dialog select none and choose a bigger page size.  Don't set final pdf pages to A3 as this leaves no room for trims....

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