Printing from LR has a different color cast.

I have Windows Vista and the latest version of LR and everytime I print using LR the print preview shows a different color and so does the print. When i use the same picture and print using PSCS3 or any other application it looks good. I have tried changing all the settings from within LR under the printer properties but nothing seems to help.
I changed all of the computers default profile to ProPhoto and now everything from within LR looks good but everything else looks awfull.
I also tried changing the PSCS3 to ProPhoto hoping that would help but it seems the only thing to do is not to color manage when in PSC3.
It seems its only when I shoot in RAW.
Please help!

>I have Windows Vista and the latest version of LR and everytime I print using LR the print preview shows a different color and so does the print. When i use the same picture and print using PSCS3 or any other application it looks good. I have tried changing all the settings from within LR under the printer properties but nothing seems to help.
There are problems with printing in Lightroom from Vista. Some drivers don't allow you to turn off color management in the driver. Sometimes the only remedy is to let the driver manage. Also make sure you have the very very latest version of the driver.
>I changed all of the computers default profile to ProPhoto and now everything from within LR looks good but everything else looks awfull.
That is an extremely bad idea. You need to profile your monitor. Never assume a profile such as prophoto. At most, delete the profile in the monitor's preference, effectively making your computer assume sRGB for the monitor.
>I also tried changing the PSCS3 to ProPhoto hoping that would help but it seems the only thing to do is not to color manage when in PSC3.
And that is the absolute worst idea. In Photoshop, set a standard space as the working space, such as sRGB, adobeRGB, or prophoto and set it up to ALWAYS respect embedded profiles. Otherwise you are guaranteeing incorrect color. Also, do not try doing any color critical work without profiling your monitor. Not doing so will always frustrate your efforts at printing. Lastly, never assume a canned profile for your monitor. They are almost always incorrect and actually have corrupt perceptual rendering profiles, tripping up color in Lightroom. More info: http://learn.adobe.com/wiki/display/LR/Color+management

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