Printing in Aperture 3 a pain ?

Hello , have a look , I've posted before "Printer problem" and found this , so I'm not alone .
http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=aperture+print+vertical+lines

I print from Aperture all the time, and much prefer that path to using Photoshop, or other apps. I do not understand your topic, nor have any issue with print quality from Aperture.
Ernie

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Cannot print from Aperture v.2.1.2 to an Epson Artisan 800 printer

I recently purchased an Epson Artisan 800 printer and I would like to be able to print from Aperture. Unfortunately, I have been unable to do so, in spite of multiple conversations with the Epson support group. I am able to print from other applications, such as TextEdit, Safari, and iPhoto. However, when I try to print from Aperture, I never get any output from the printer. Depending on the image that I try to print from Aperture, I will see an error message flash on the printer's display screen.
I captured the following error message from the "system.log" file:
Jan 20 20:11:24 new-host Aperture[12196]: An instance 0xce644a0 of class RKPrintPreviewView is being deallocated while key value observers are still registered with it. Observation info is being leaked, and may even become mistakenly attached to some other object. Set a breakpoint on NSKVODeallocateBreak to stop here in the debugger. Here's the current observation info:\n<NSKeyValueObservationInfo 0xf86da40> (\n<NSKeyValueObservance 0x1c6597e0: Observer: 0xb8c7d10, Key path: selection.isModified, Options: <New: YES, Old: NO, Prior: NO> Context: 0x0, Property: 0x1c641630>\n<NSKeyValueObservance 0xce9b170: Observer: 0xb8c7d10, Key path: selection.gamma, Options: <New: YES, Old: NO, Prior: NO> Context: 0x0, Property: 0xce7e7d0>\n<NSKeyValueObservance 0x1c659830: Observer: 0xb8c7d10, Key path: selection.blackPointCompensation, Options: <New: YES, Old: NO, Prior: NO> Context: 0x0, Property: 0x1c640340>\n<NSKeyValueObservance 0x1c65ef80: Observer: 0xb8c7d10, Key path: selection.colorSyncProfile, Options: <New: YES, Old: NO, Prior: NO> Context: 0x0, Property: 0x1c65d8e0>\n<NSKeyValueObservance 0x1c65d890: Observer: 0xb8c7d10, Key path: selection.dpi, Options: <New: YES, Old: NO, Prior: NO> Context: 0x0, Property: 0x1c6715c0>\n<NSKeyValueObservance 0x1c65eba0: Observer: 0xb8c7d10, Key path: selection.sharpenAmount, Options: <New: YES, Old: NO, Prior: NO> Context: 0x0, Property: 0x1c645070>\n<NSKeyValueObservance 0x1c65ebe0: Observer: 0xb8c7d10, Key path: selection.sharpenRadius, Options: <New: YES, Old: NO, Prior: NO> Context: 0x0, Property: 0x1c645630>\n)
----------END of ERROR MESSAGE------------
I am having this problem on both my iMac G5 and my wife's MacBook. Both are running the latest versions of Mac OS X (10.5.6) and the latest version of Aperture.
If anyone has been able to print from Aperture to an Epson Artisan 800 printer, please let me know how you did it. Thanks.
Bruce

I run 10.4.11 and am unfamiliar with that specific Epson. However step one with Epson troubleshooting is to do any OS updates then download and install the latest Epson driver, even if what you are using is current. The new install will simply install over the old installation. Repair Permissions via Disk Utility immediately before and again immediately after both the OS updates and the printer driver installation.
Once good Epson paper and a new driver installation are done the final step is to carefully follow Gary Ballard's excellent color management tutorials:
<http://www.gballard.net/psd.html>
Good luck!
-Allen Wicks
P.S. Epson tech support for consumer printers has always been worse than useless. Specialized support for the pro printers is pretty good.

HP B8850 Page Size Error Printing from Aperture 2 (or iPhoto)

I am trying to print on 13x19 (B+) size paper to an HP Photosmart Pro B8850 printer. I get this error when printing from Aperture --> "Page Size Error: Paper size selected in the print driver does not match the paper loaded in the printer IN tray."
Aperture 2.1.2
Mac OS X 10.5.6
HP Photosmart Pro B8800 Series Print Driver 2.3.1
I can set the paper size to 13x19 (B+) in the Aperture print dialog, but under the Print Settings button there is no option for paper size, only paper type. So apparently the size that the printer is expecting in the driver does not match the 13x19 that is loaded in the printer. I was able to verify this by leaving all print settings for 13x19 and loading an 8.5 x 11 sheet in the printer. It pulled the paper through and started printing, but the print was scaled to fit onto the 8.5 x 11!
So in other words, the way I'm seeing it, even though I am setting the paper size for 13x19 in Aperture's print dialog, the printer thinks it's suppose to print on 8.5 x 11.
To make matters worse, there is no Page Setup menu item in Aperture to set the paper size in the print driver directly. I would have assumed that the Aperture print dialog was "smart enough" to pass the page size parameter to the HP printer driver, but that is apparently not happening.
I spoke with HP tech support and they were surprisingly helpful. With their help I was able to print on 13x19 paper with HP's bundled software package, but I had to export my file from Aperture and import it into HP's software. Now that's a good first step which assured me there is nothing wrong with the printer itself, but obviously I purchased Aperture to use it's more elegant and supposedly streamlined interface to make my prints.
Has anyone had a similar problem? Any solutions? Suggestions? I have searched this forum, HP's support forum, DP Review, Google and not finding much. I can't believe I'm the only guy trying to print on 13 x 19 from Aperture using this printer. I suspect it's not printer specific though. Could be my system I guess. I plan on calling Apple Care depending on what type of response I get here.

I don't know if this may help, but recently we had a discussion about problems with Aperture's custom paper size not working correctly:
The solution was to define a paper size outside Aperture:
In any application, for example Preview, try to print something and the print dialog comes up. At this point click on Paper size and choose Manage Custom Sizes. You can define a new paper size here. This new custom size will then appear when you go to Aperture print dialog under paper size. It solved my problems with custom paper sizes here, for some reason (a bug?) defining a custom paper size within Aperture itself did not work correctly for me.

Is there a reason I can't print wirelessly in Aperture? I am able to from other programs. When I try to print in Aperture, the printer tells me it's offline.

Aperture won't print a photo wirelessly. My other programs print fine wirelessly. Anybody know why? I'm using OS X 10.6.8, Aperture 3.2.4 on an iMac with an Epson Artisan printer. When I try to print in Aperture, the printer utility tells me the printer is offline. But it isn't. I am shooting in RAW, by the way.

I don't have much, but ... make sure you are selecting the entry for the _wireless printer_. It's been some time since I did this — and a few OS's and Aperture versions ago — but I remember that there were multiple entries for my printer: USB, Ethernet, Wireless, and mounted to other computers on the network.

I ordered prints in aperture but they never came. How can I check on the status?

I ordered prints on Aperture. It was an expensive order.
I got a confirmation screen but no email.
Its now been 2 weeks so I can assume they aren't coming.
How can I be sure? I want to cancel the order so I can print them locally.

There is an order status link on this page that should direct you to where to find out : http://store.apple.com/us/help/print_products

Oder prints causes Aperture to hang

Hi all
Whenever I select the "Order prints" menu item Aperture immediately brings up a sheet with the text "Connecting ..." and a spinner icon and then hangs forever. I assume that this is the time when Aperture should update the list of available print products and pricing information, but nothing ever happens.
I'm currently running Aperture 3.3.1 but the error was present in previous versions of Aperture 3.x.
I have tried deleting the preferences (~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.Aperture.plist) but this didn't help.
Interestingly ordering prints from iPhoto works. Since Aperture and iPhoto now share the same library format, ordering prints from iPhoto is a workaround, but I would prefer printing from Aperture directly.
Does anybody have an idea what is going wrong?
Kind regards,
Christian

My recent upgrade of the OS to version 10.8 (Mountain Lion) and the Aperture update to version 3.2.2 have solved this problem for me.

About printing with Aperture

When I print with PS or any other application (e.i.: Pages) always appears the presets that I have calibrated for printing with my three favorites papers, but with Aperture these presets do not appears and the dialogue of the printer is complety different.
Does anybody knows how can I solve this?

Hi
I found this article on the apple website to be super helpful. I now get the most accurate prints from Aperture, noticeably superior to anything other program I've tried printing from..
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2026

Errors ordering prints from Aperture, help?

I've been trying since last night to order prints via Aperture. They total around 150 prints. Last night, I would select my images and they would start to upload. The entire time, Aperture is listed as "application not responding" but the continued to upload. When finished, I got a message that the order was complete and then got a billing error message. I tried again and re-entered my card info, same issue. My billing works fine for the app store (it did before and after the order attempts), it's not a billing issue.
Today, I just entered a different card to see what happens. Everything uploads and it tells me my order is complete. However, I never recieved a receipt and there is no record of my order on the order status page. When I tried to close A3, I get the message "You book is not complete...." so I select to continue uploading...even though the upload is complete. It's being going now like that for 3 hours. This is crazy. I just cancelled the order by closing out A3 now for the 8th time in 2 days...each upload takes about 20-30 minutes to complete. Odd, my connections speeds are currently 22mbps download, 7 upload...a little slower than usual, so the hold up is on Apple's side.
Has anyone had this issue before? Is there a fix for this? I'm going nuts. Thanks for any help!

I called Apple Store support. They were stumped too as I had tried everything they recommended, including chaning billing card that I use, etc. Then they found a support document about print ordering issues and getting a white screen (which I don't get), this appears to have solved my issue.
Here is what I did. I did have to do BOTH steps. Please note that "1-Click Settings" is no longer available, so used "Express Checkout" for those steps instead and it was fine. I was able to put through a test order successfully and then cancel it. My large order is now uploading.
Delete the NetServices Keychain item:
Quit Aperture if it is open.
In the Finder, choose Go > Utilities.
Double-click the Keychain Access application in the Utilities folder.
Click Passwords in the Category list on the left side of the window.
Click the NetServices item in the main window and press the delete key to remove it.
Open Aperture and test.
If the above steps do not resolve the issue:
Quit Aperture.
Go to the Apple Online Store.
From the Account menu to the left of the Cart icon, choose "1-Click Settings."
Log in to your account with your Apple ID and password.
Enable 1-Click for your account.
If 1-Click is already enabled, choose Account Information from the Accounts dropdown.
Change the password for your account.
Open Aperture and test.
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3464?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
Thank you David at Apple!

Best Large Format Printer with Aperture 3.1 & 10.6.5??

I have an Epson R1800 and am not pleased with my print results. Prints are too dark and generally lack "pop". I have read through threads here and other places and tried a lot of suggestions ... all to no real improvement.
Simple question -- which larger format printer (13") are you using that works very well with Aperture?
Thanks.
Ken

Hi,
I use the Epson R1900 with very good results. I never expect what prints well to look good either on my monitor, or on Slideshows transfered to video usage. If it looks good on my monitor, that is what I want the settings and adjustments to be locked into for my files. I think my monitor is very true -- some proof of this is evidenced by prints I have made via the print services I have available to me via SmugMug. Those prints (either Bay Photo or EZPrints per my choice) look just like what is on my monitor when shipped to me, and that is super! The print process fundamentally must compensate in some manner to achieve the backlit look of a monitor. I get very close to that in the prints from Aperture now, by using the Brightness and other controls in the Print Dialogue.
Ernie

Printing from Aperture, and printing from Lightroom.

Hello,
I have noticed when I print from Aperture using my Canon i9950 and a custom paper Colorsync profile, and if I then print from Adobe's Lightroom using the same Colorsync profile and paper, the print from Lightroom is much sharper. The Aperture print is exact in every respect except it is noticeably softer.
Anyone else notice this? And if so is this a recognised problem that may be fixed in 1.1?
Kind regards,
Anil K Solanki
G4 Dual 867 Mac OS X (10.4.5)

Hi Charles, I totally agree with you. Lightroom's printing features are really excellent. In comparison Aperture almost seems like the printing of photographs was something the Aperture dev team bolted on at the last minute.
I sincerely hope Apple sort out, what for me is inexcusable in a professional commercial app. A few photographers I know are going to use the next release of Aperture as a turning point, if it can't print as good as the Beta Lightroom then they will become Lightroom users and say good bye to Aperture.
Apertures sorting and logging tools really are second to none, but if the print quality is poor, what is the point. I know for a large number of photographers, producing prints is not high on their list of needs, especially if they are supplying prints for publication or the web. But if I want to do what my old fashioned enlarger can do, which is create great prints, then hey I am not going to get it with Aperture.
I know Apple can fix this, I just hope they do.
Anil.

Prints from Aperture vs Photoshop Different

When I make a print from Aperture the color is off and the print is too light. When I take that same photo and Open With External Editor to Photoshop, the print comes out nearly perfect, and nearly exactly what I see on my 30" ACD.
When printing I turn off System Management of color, so I don't think that's the issue.
I shoot Raw with a Nikon D2x. I calibrated my Epson 4800 and 30" display with Eye-One. The profile of the photo is Adobe RGB 1998. When soft proofing in Aperture I use the printer profile I created with Eye-One and the image looks fine on my display.
I've read various threads where people have solved this problem by making sure they use Adobe RGB 1998 across the board, which I think I am doing.
One huge concern is that I'm ready to have a wedding book published via Apple and I don't know if the images are going to look like they do printed via Aperture, or Photoshop, or something altogether different.
Greg
Mac Book Pro 17" Mac OS X (10.4.9) 30" ACD, Epson 4800 printer, Dimage Scan Elite 5400II

David,
Thank you for enlightening me about the Nikon/color space.
What is frustrating is that I've calibrated my Epson 4800 and 30" ACD. In Aperture the color and exposure looks fine when soft proofing, but my prints come out with a magenta tinge and are too light. When printing the very same file in Photoshop (via Round Trip from Aperture), the image looks the same on my monitor as it did in Aperture but the print comes out very close to what I see on the screen. There has to be something else going on. I turn off the System Management of color, what other settings do you set? However, I set the printing settings the same for Aperture as for Photoshop.
Since you have much of the same set-up as I do, I'd like to turn to another question. I'm trying to order a wedding book via Apple. When I click the "Buy Now" button, all the following dialog boxes have a combination of French, English, Dutch? - and when I reach the final dialog box I see in English, "Please correct the following issues". The item on the list that I should correct is in Dutch or Swedish. Has this ever happened to you and how can I fix the language issue. I searched the threads and see people with the same problem, but no remedy.
Another question if I may... When I click "Buy Now" the first dialog box says that there is a blank text box (which I suspect is the issue that the Dutch sentence is proclaiming). I've tried finding the blank text box by Select All, but only the photo fields are highlighted. Do you know how to find a blank text box?
Thank you for your suggestions. I've asked about the foreign language and text box issues but haven't received an answer yet.
Greg

Printing from Aperture is not that good. Maybe help needed

Hi,
I'm trying to print from Aperture and I can't get a decent print to save my life. I end up sending over to Photoshop where the print comes out looking like it should. (FYI, I am very experienced with printing and calibration and color management, BTW). I can't figure out what is happening wrong. I've got all the settings correct and still can't manage a good print; they come out flat (lacking saturated colors) and much darker than the screen.
I'm running Leopard 10.5.2 and an Epson 2200.
What I don't understand is why PS is doing such a good job at printing and Aperture is not.
Any advice is appreciated.
Antonio

The closest I could get to a reasonable print is to wack up gamma to at least 1.2 But to be frank I got seriously peed off with the effort and cost of ink that its cost me trying to get something reasonable. So in short I have given up trying to print from aperture.
FWIW I have used aperture with:
Epson 360
Canon ip3000
Canon ip4000
Canon IP4000r
HP All in One
HP 1280
I have owned all these and for my love of apple blamed the first three printers for being rubbish printers. but after 6 printers, sorry there is only one place to blame now.
Luckily printing from other programmes is not too difficult so I don't lose too much sleep over it.

Color consistency printing in Aperture 2.1, Epson R2880

I just got a new Epson R2880. After a lot of initial test printing, looking there, reading that, I have come to the conclusion that Aperture has a major issue with color management printing from it- I have been reading others with Epson R1800, R1900, R2100, R2200, R2400 and Canon Pixma 9500 having similar issues.
I realize I have to turn off the Epson color management, and that improved the printing, but it still looks like a muted sRGB print. When I print from Preview using the Epson sRGB or Epson Adobe if the photo has an Adobe profile or a wide gamut (16 bit tiff), I get much more accurate prints and the colors that I would expect to see. Reds are vibrant and so on.
From Aperture again, it's muted. So as far as I understand Aperture manages the colors for you and the Epson driver has to be turned off in color management, and set to the right paper. I think what needs to happen it hat we should be able to turn Aperture's color management off, and have Aperture send the data to the Epson driver, enable the Epson driver and let it do its job (we enable the Epson driver beforehand, before printing).
I have not been able to find a way to turn Aperture's color management off. This is a major workflow issue for me because I can't really print directly from Aperture which is not very good.
Any ideas?
- Raist

Raist,
First of all, thanks for giving notice that Epson has somewhat quietly introduced the replacement for the R2400 -- I had missed that.
Are you running Tiger, as your Profile info indicates? In Leopard, I see the same issues with properly setting up printing whether printing from Aperture 2, Photoshop CS3 or Pages. Conflict appears to result from allowing the printer to control printing vs the application.
My understanding is that if Color Management is selected, the printer and driver may ignore the color tweaking you have done, and based upon algorithms in the driver make its own adjustments -- this is not something I want to happen. In choosing the color profile in Aperture (done by selecting the paper type and quality) I achieve the better and consistent results. To get equal results from printing from Photoshop, the same settings must be used, but I find the Print Presets in Aperture much easier to accomplish this with. Recently I printed a photo from CS3 (because the final retouching required the use of layers) rather than Aperture, the first attempt was horrible simply because I forgot to turn off color management in the print dialogues.
Again, my understanding is that by selecting the proper Color Profile for the Epson paper being used, and by further turning off color management, you should expect the best, most proper, use of the Epson driver, managed from Aperture.
Ernie

Terrible red color cast when printing from aperture

I have printed the same image from Iphoto as well as a windows machine and got very nice prints on my Epson R2880. However, every time i print from Aperture it comes out with a terrible red cast. I have tried the system managed colorsync profile as well as the generic one. (FWIW, B&W prints from Aperture on the R2880 come out very nice)
Any other ideas?

You may find it helpful.
Thanks, but if you look in the archives of the Apple ColorSync Users List, you'll find thousands of posts from his Mac dating back to the beginning of the List.
The principle is that you configure your device colour spaces to the largest gamut of which they are capable, calibrate them to a stable condition, characterise that condition in a measured test chart, and build ICC device profiles for those characterisations in your ICC profiling package of choice.
You then capture and correct colour with correct colour previews, resulting in normalised exposures in an ideal CIE colour space. With you normalised exposures, you convert into output condition 1, output condition 2, output condition n which is what repurposing is about.
But you do no apply a gamma change on top of the colour managed rendering. That is incorrect by definition. You apply your gamma change as part of the colour correction in order to get your normalised exposure.
If you imagine this in a prepress process, then you can forget the concept of determinate rendering which is the bedrock of the ICC architecture. If you as photographer do a gamma correction on top of your presentation print or proof print, then you can claim that you have a presentation print, but you cannot contractually claim that you have a proof print as your proof print is a colour correction on top of the colour management system. If Apple Aperture allows the user access to colour correction on top of colour management, then that is a bug in the application. Sorry ...
/hh

Color cast when printing from Aperture

I'm having troubles with printing since the last upgrade of Aperture.I'm using the Canon ipF5100.
When I print using Aperture the is a nasty greenish color. Now I've to switch to Photoshop CS3 to make a print.
Before the update I could make fine prints.
I have callibrated the screen and the paper I use.
I switch to no correction.
Who can advise me?
Kees Bakker

Kees,
This sounds like it's the bug with Camera Raw 2.2, rather than Aperture itself. I and many others on this forum had similar issues and reverting to Camera Raw 2.1 fixed things. See this thread and the link to the solution thread:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1729542&tstart=270
Good Luck!
Regards,
Calx

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