Printing with ICC profiles using CS4

I recently upgraded my MAC Mini to Mavericks. My Photoshop CS4 no longer prints using ICC profiles. It prints using "printer controls' just fine.

Many printer drivers (especially Epson) are having problems with printing on MacOS 10.9. Contact the printer maker to see if they have updated drivers available.

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Possible solution for problems printing with ICC profiles - esp. R2400

(N.B. This is long because I've decided to go in to details about the background of the problem etc.. Also note that whilst my experience is with the Epson R2400, anyone with problems printing using ICC profiles in Aperture may find this post helpful, as will be explained further down the post.)
Ok, here's the situation. I've been an Aperture user for over a year, and an R2400 owner for half a year. In that time I have done a huge amount of experimenting, but I've never managed to get Aperture to work perfectly with Epson's 'premium' R2400 ICC profiles - the ones you can download from their site which are better than the ones provided 'in the box'. This hasn't been too big a deal because, in fact, the R2400 does a rather good job just set to 'System Managed' in Aperture and 'Epson Vivid' with a gamma of 1.8 in the printer driver. Nevertheless, it really annoyed me that something that should work wasn't, which is why I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out what's going on. Having said that, I have come across a method which will give you pretty good prints out of your Epson R2400 using the premium profiles in Aperture - it's not perfect, but it's the best you're going to get if you want to use those profiles in Aperture. I understand the words 'it's not perfect' aren't what photography experts would probably want to hear, however, I have seen a few anguished posts from R2400 owners in here before, so I think some people may find it useful.
The whole reason why Aperture is hopeless at using the R2400's premium profiles is because - unusually - their default rendering intent is set to 'relative colorimetric' rather than 'perceptual'. You might say 'but that's good - it means you get more accurate colours!', and if you do, you're right... however, there's a snag. To get an image to reproduce well using Epson's premium profiles and relative colorimetric rendering, you really need to use black point compensation. This is where the trouble lies: Aperture's black point compensation is diabolical to the point of being unusable when used with relative colorimetric rendering - I feel I need to be awarded compensation every time I've ever tempted to use the setting. So because BPC in Aperture is unusable, that effectively makes the premium profiles unusable too, because Aperture always uses the default rendering intent specified in the profile.
The solution? Use perceptual rendering instead. Ok, so you can't change the rendering intent in Aperture, which makes that sound a tad difficult. However, as I said in the above paragraph, Aperture always obeys the default rendering intent specified in the profile... so you can see where we're going with this: we need to change the ICC profiles' default rendering intent from 'relative colorimetric' to 'perceptual'. I did some digging around and found one or two expensive pieces of software that could do that... but then I found that, lo and behold, the Mac OS has a command-line utility which can do the job for us, for precisely £0.00. It's called SIPS or 'Scriptable Image Processing System', and you can find out some information about it here: http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn2035.html#TNTAG58 For those who don't like reading technical jargon however, here's what you need to do to convert a profile's rendering intent. First go to terminal, then type in the following command:
sips -s renderingIntent perceptual
Do not press 'enter' yet. Instead, add a space after 'perceptual', find the ICC profile you want to modify, and click and drag it into the terminal window. You should then find that your command looks something like this:
sips -s renderingIntent perceptual /Users/yourname/folder/RandomProfile.ICC
At which point you can then press 'enter', and the command will execute, giving you an ICC profile which will now make Aperture use perceptual rendering.
There is just one further thing to be aware of after doing this: for some crazy reason, you then need to turn on BPC in Aperture for the prints to come out as good as possible. Black point compensation shouldn't make any difference when using perceptual rendering as the idea of perceptual is that it takes account of things like that anyway, however, in Aperture BPC does make a difference, so remember to turn it on to get a half decent print. In general, I find that prints made using this setup come out pretty well; they almost perfectly match prints made using the profiles with a perceptual intent in Photoshop Elements, except for the fact that Aperture blocks up the shadows a bit more than Photoshop. However, if you can live with that, you might find this is quite a workable solution.
Now, I said near the beginning of this post that all the above can apply to other printers too. Most printer profiles have 'perceptual' set as their default rendering intent, in which case everything I've just said won't be of much help. However, If you are reading this because you're having problems with ICC profiles in Aperture, but you don't use an Epson R2400, find your problematic ICC profile, double-click on it, and take a look at the window that opens: specifically, at the 'Rendering Intent' the window mentions. If it doesn't say 'Perceptual' then it may well be worth trying the steps I've outlined in this post to set it to perceptual, to see if doing so produces an improvement when using the profile in Aperture.
Finally, just one note of caution: if you decide to try out the steps I've detailed above on a paid-for custom-made profile, please back your profile up before messing with it. I haven't experienced any problems when using SIPS to change a profile's rendering intent, but I obviously can't guarantee that it won't do something weird and corrupt your expensive custom-made profile.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask, although (contrary to any impression I may give) I am not a colour-management expert; I'm just someone who doesn't give up when they have a problem that should be solvable.
Thomas
Mac Pro 2.0GHz with 30" ACD; 15" MacBook Pro 2.0GHz Mac OS X (10.4.10)

Thomas
Wow - thanks for such a comprehensive post.
I have Aperture and a 2400 so this information is exceptionally useful to me.
Again - thanks for caring and sharing
Brian

LR crashes when managing printer with ICC profile

Hi,
I'm printing on an Olympus P-11 thermic printer, using a custom ICC profile (Mac OS X). This works perfectly with all versions of Photoshop, including CS3. LightRoom just crashes when trying to use this profile (or any other profile)...
extract from crashlog :
Version: Adobe Lightroom 1.0 (310575)
PID: 622
Thread: 0
Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000
Thread 0 Crashed:
0 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x907d9ab0 CFDictionaryGetValueIfPresent + 60
1 PrintModule 0x16e21bec dyld_stub_regexec + 383882156
I've tried this on two different computers (Apple G4 and G5), one runing an english version of LR, the other running a french localized version. Same result, and Photoshop prints flawlessly on both...
The problem is definitely in LR.

Nicolas,
I have exactly the same problem on a quad G5, Os X 10.4.9. Lr crashes when trying to use an ICC profile to print to a networked HP B9180. Printing using 'Managed by Printer' doesn't cause a crash (but is obviously not a workaround, due to the less favourable colour output). Deleting preferences and re-creating the library doesn't help.
My crash log looks the same as the snippet you posted. I have filed a bug report.
However after I filed the report, I noticed that I also get the following message in the Console which may be of some diagnostic value (is there anyway I can add this info to my original bug report?):
Adobe Lightroom[558] InkChecker could not launch , launch path not accessible
Jupiter crashdump[563]: Adobe Lightroom crashed
Crash logs available for those who want them,
Jason

Is printing with ICC profile usable in CS5 and Mac Intel ?

Hi all,
I have an Epson Stylus Color 2100 (2200 in USA) which works perfectly in CS3 with a Power Mac G5. I have an iMac (Mac OS 10.6.4) and can't print with my Epson : everything get out greenish when I try to let Photoshop manage color. If I the printer manage color it's ok but since I work with a ColorMunki.... I would prefer to work with my profiles ! Has anyone any ideas ? Thanks for your help.

Just for your info : there is no solution to my problem (greenish prints) it is a CS5 running SnowLeopard and Epson driver problem.
I have not seen this issue with the new Epson drivers for the 9600, except when I did not completely remove old drivers.
For details (and a workaround -not a solution-) you can see Adobe Tech. Note: No color management option missing when printing in Photoshop CS5 http://kb2.abobe.com/cps/834/cpsid_83497.html and for more details you can read in the Luminous Landscape Forums the topics about that ( http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/solving.shtml
and http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=43352.0
By far I am not the only one with this problem. I have to wait for the promised Adobe printer Module (which will be available in Adobe Tech Labs someday).
I have tried to install CS3 on SnowLeopard but with no printing difference hence I will have to print with my G5 and CS3....
I found that with SL that it was best to use sRGB as the assigned profile in the workaround, but this did not produce as good a profile as printing a no CM target with InDesign to create the profile.
By far I am not the only one with this problem. I have to wait for the promised Adobe printer Module (which will be available in Adobe Tech Labs someday).
Removing "No Color Management" from CS5 was just a really dumb move by Adobe just because some Epson drivers were not written correctly. O' and by the way Adobe then releases the new version of Elements with "No Color Management" as an option. So is Adobe going to update CS5 and include the "No Color Management" option? Must be some reason after all this time they have not released the much promised application to print unmanaged targets.
I have tried to install CS3 on SnowLeopard but with no printing difference hence I will have to print with my G5 and CS3....
CS3 was one strange beast when it came to printing. Seems it had elements of both Apple printing paths and depending on what OS version you are using you will get different results. I have no trust what so ever printing from CS3. Now CS4 on the other hand prints just fine, and even prints the "No Color Management" option just fine with correct drivers, and that includes the 8.19 driver for the 9600.

Printing with ICC profiles: Aperture/Leopard/Canon 9500

My Canon 9000 prints perfectly with Aperture 1.5 and 2.0 under Tiger.
A friend with a Canon 9500 eports that the cannot turn off color correction in the printer driver under Leopard. It seems that the option is greyed out.
There is a bit of chatter about this in various PS/LR and other forums.
Is anyone printing successfully from AP to a Canon 9500 under Leopard? If so, what driver and settings are you using?
DiploStrat

I just picked up the 9000 today and I had the same problem too. I discovered that the CUPS driver doesn't allow turning off the profile in the driver. I installed the other driver that is available from the Canon website and it does allow it to be set to 'none'. It is the 4.8.5 version. However, the results I am getting do not look as good as it does from iPhoto with the same settings. I am still experimenting with it.

Prepress query about supplied PDFs with ICC profiles

Hello please help
Working at a print company we get a lot of print ready PDFs supplied
We have our own press colour profile which we ideally apply to all PDFs
My question is what to do with a supplied PDF which contains a none standard ICC profile on either the full PDF or embedded in the images or text.
Is there an industry standard for changing the colour profile on CMYK images?
We can strip the ICC profile using pitstop, but doesn't this create problems with images that have been converted from RGB to CMYK using under colour removal etc?
If we would just convert the total PDF into our printing colour profile (by placing it into indesign or using distiller) it tends to mess up images which are already CMYK with an embedded ICC profile.
Any help would be appreciated, thank you very much

Thanks for your reply, we have actually been advised not to use this setting on our RIP. We are trying to get in contact with our RIP supplier tech guy to sort out why we aren't using this, to me it feels like this would maybe save us a lot of hassle yes. I will get back when we know more, thanks!

Placing a PDF with ICC profile embedded

If I place a PDF with a ICC profile embedded, InDesign doesn't take in consideration it.
In the case that the Indd colour workspace is different from the ICC embedded in the PDF, when I export to PDF the color conversion is wrong.
For example the PDF embedded ICC profile is US webcoated (Swop), the Indd workspace is Iso Coated L39 v2 and I want export to PDF with conversion to PSO lwc improved,
the conversion that I get is wrong.With an image with the ICC pofile embedded the conversion is ok.
does anyone know how it works?

With regards to placing PDF/X files in either InDesign or Illustrator ...
Neither InDesign nor Illustrator currently do anything whatsoever with the Output Intent ICC profile in a PDF/X file. It is totally ignored. In PDF/X-1a files, there is no other color mangement and as such, all objects are either DeviceCMYK or DeviceGray or spot colors. The objects are imported as CMYK or spot color values assuming the document's default CMYK color space. Thus, if you place a PDF/X-1a file with a profile for Gracol and your InDesign document's default color space is US Web Coated SWOP, those CMYK colors in the PDF/X-1a will be brought in as-is but interpreted as is they were US Web Coated SWOP.
The picture becomes a bit more complex for PDF/X-4. All untagged CMYK objects in a PDF/X-4 file are assumed to have the color space of the embedded Output Intent ICC profile. CMYK content in PDF/X-4 that uses a CMYK color space must be explicitly tagged as such and have an embedded profile for such color spaces. Ironically, all CMYK content that matches the color space of the Output Intent ICC profile must be specified as DeviceCMYK per the PDF/X-4 specification (there is a long story about why that is the case). When PDF/X-4 is placed in InDesign or Illustrator, similar to the case of PDF/X-1a, the Output Intent ICC profile is indeed ignored and DeviceCMYK colors assume the document's default CMYK color space. All explictly tagged with ICC profile CMYK and RGB objects in PDF/X-4 maintain such tagging when placed within an InDesign or Illustrator document and are either preserved on PDF export/save or converted based on the PDF export/save options specified.
Is this a problem? Yes, I believe so. I am in the process of looking at what can be done to improve the PDF/X placement capability in the future so that this problem is ameliorated.
- Dov

How do you create and save icc profiles using photoshop?

How do you create and save icc profiles using photoshop?

You don't. Color profiles require specific measurement hardware and software.
Mylenium

Photoshop CS5 Print Printing problem: print count and print to ICC profile

Since Adobe still haven't acknowledge the printing issue with CS5, I start this thread to report my own problems.
Problem 1:
print copy count is not working. The first print is always one print regardless how many copies you set in the dialog window. The next print will actually print the copies set in the previous print job.
This is a well documented problem, and until today no fix. I am not too worried about this problem because I can always print one copy each time to get job done, until the day Adobe acknowledge and fix the problem.
Problem 2:
when I let the Photoshop manage color and print to a custome ICC profile (generated by Spyer3Print), Photoshop RANDOMLY decides to print a light colored magenta cast picture. It's like Photoshop has used the wrong ICC. Now every time I print a 13x19, I have to pray. Because this thing is so random, I can't even reproduce the problem consistantly.
here's the information about my system:
Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit (not a fresh system) with 8GB RAM. Printer drivers installed: Canon Pro9000II, Canon MP600, Epson 1400.
I experience problem 2 after I installed CS5 with Epson 1400 printer, but not too frequent. Later on I installed drivers for Epson R1800, Epson R2400, and I mainly print with R2400. All the printer drivers, software updates are the lastest available.
I was a software developer. I wrote windows application before. I am pretty sure the problem is with CS5 based on my knowledge. If I wrote an Windows application that crashs Windows or another party's appliction, I certainly would not blame Microsoft or another party for not writing a bulletproof system. I would try to find a workaround in my own application. That's just my take. Adobe may have different mind set. They are still pointing finger to MS and Epson.

I don't condone the problems, but a workaround I've recently read about for the copy count problem is to do the following, in order:
1. Set the copy count you want.
2. Click the Print Settings... button to enter the printer driver setup dialog.
3. [OK] out.
4. Print
This is reported to get the proper copy count into the print driver and make it "stick". I just tried it and it seems to work.
Keep in mind you may want to go through this again after printing to get the copy count to default back to 1 for the next print.
-Noel

Dark Prints with Photoshop CS3 and CS4 but not Lightroom

Hi, To start,I have calibrated my dell monitor with eye-one pro as well as my epson 7800. i am running vista 64 bit on my PC...
When i use photoshop (CS3 or CS4) the images look fine on the screen and come out really dark on the printer. When i use lightroom, the images look fine on the screen and fine on the printer.
Any guidance on how to "fix" photoshop would be appreciated. By the way, in photoshop print dialogue, i color manage the document, photoshop manages the color, the printer profile is set to the I-1 custom printer profile, rendering is perceptual, and black point compensation is checked.
Thanks,
Joe

I manage color and service bureau printing at the college I work for, and we've been fighting the upgrade to CS4 for some time. Here's what we have so far.
Apple dual G5 machine with 10.5.8
Adobe PS CS3
Adobe PS CS4
3 x Epson 4800 Pro printers using an IP connection and using Driver version #6.11
We manage color with custom created profiles in eyeOne with eyeOne pro hardware.
When moving to CS4 for printing prints have gond dark and the color has taken an odd shift.
When printing with CS3, we get consistent color and density
All things being equal in the print settings for each version of PS.
I have heard that CS4 addresses the printing system differently (using an updated printing api from Apple) is this true?
When running prints from within another app (any app really) that prints directly through the OS, we get similar results as CS4.
The best explaination that we've been able to get is that the (epson) print driver is operating on the older api calls, and that when the OS (or CS4) is operating on the newer calls, the color and density issues arise.
Can anyone verify this?

Print with no color management CS4 + Snow Leopard broken

I have seen comments in this forum about problems with printing with CS4, but wasn't sure that they were going to apply to me. They do, big time.
I print to an Epson 9800, I convert the image to the Epson profile for that paper, and then print using no color management. With CS4 + Mac OS 10.6 the colors are completely off, and the results unusable, and I could not resolve it by printing from CS3 instead. I finally ended up installing 10.5 on a new partition, deactivating CS3 on the 10.6 partition and installing on the 10.5 partition (because Adobe's licensing treats the same program running on the same computer with different boot partitions as two different "installations"!), and then actually going back one generation in the drivers for the printer. Basically this resurrects my computer as it was in 2007, and I can now print flawlessly. I'm not sure whether the latest printer drivers introduce problems or not, and got tired printing test images.
Of course, this means that I edit the photo in 10.6 + CS4, then reboot to 10.5, print in CS3, then reboot back into 10.6. And of course I can't use CS4 while printing from CS3. Very frustrating.
My questions are: (1) is there an Adobe document that discusses this problem, (2) are Adobe aware of this problem, and (3) are there any other work-arounds that people know of other than reverting to CS3 + OS 10.5?
A

Thanks Chris,
I didn't try older Epson drivers + 10.6. I wasn't quite sure if I was getting the exact same colors with the newest Epson drivers + 10.5, so I reverted to the previous version drivers + 10.5 and am able to print perfectly with that.
I must say that Adobe's licensing really gets in the way when there are problems like this. I only updated to 10.6 (yes, perhaps a little prematurely) after reading Adobe's reports on compatibility and searching these forums for any news of problems. But now that I have updated to 10.6, I really don't want to go back to 10.5 permanently. And, as I said, you can't run the same version of Photoshop on the same computer on two different boot systems, without using up the two licenses. This is very frustrating, and violates my understanding of the license that Adobe gives its users: the ability to run the software on either of 2 computers, as long as you don't run on both at the same time.
I hope you figure this out, let us know as soon as you can.
A

How to install Epson ICC profiles using Photoshop CC?

How to install Epson ICC profiles ussing Photoshop CC on Mac?

Danny,
Just stop and think for a moment. Firstly, it's not Rocket science to produce an icc profile, and does not involve the profile having to physically 'fit' into a pre-formed item such as the razor blade analogy you used.
Secondly, If the likes of Epson and HP did produce printer profiles for all makes of paper, can you imagine how much more product they would sell. Printer companies are currently missing out on substantial amounts of income at the moment because the cost of their inks is more expensive than gold! Thus, the third party ink manufacturers - although not producing an ink as good as the original - are earning large sums of money and once again this is income loss to the major printer manufactures. Can you imagine what would happen if certain vehicles would only run on a specific fuel? I don't mean Diesel or Petroleum, but different manufacturers, Shell, Texaco, Murco etc.
At the end of the day the only person who is adversely affected by this business model is us, the consumer.
I really don't think they need you to be standing up for them Danny.

I am trying to understand how Photoshop deals with ICC profiles

I have an Epson 3880 printer, which I am trying to master.   I am printing with either Photoshop CS2 or Photoshop CS5.   I would like to u nderstand where the profiles for particular papers are kept.
For example, in principle, I can go to the Epson website and download profiles.   But I don't understand the nomeclature I see there. Thus, there are several different categories. I started with the first and downloaded the one for Epson Hot Press Bright Paper
I get an archive which contains an executable file, which when run asks me if I want to extract the contents. I run it and it completes, but I don't know what it put where.
So first of all, where does Photoshop keep profiles for different printer using different papers?
Second of all, where did that program put the files it supposedly extracted? What does Hot Press Birght Paper mean? Where are the profiles for the standard Epson papers? Are there explicit profiles for using the 3880 with different papers, e.g., premimum glossy photo paper.   Where do I find them?
(I think I have software for viewing a profile if I can find it.)
Anything more of interest?

Photoshop does not keep profiles anywhere.
Profiles are managed by the OS.
Photoshop shows the available profiles in it's UI, and gets the list of available profiles from the OS.
What does Hot Press Birght Paper mean?
That the profile applies to a particular paper, probably called "hot press bright" paper.
Yes, you will have a profile for each printer and type of paper -- you have to in order to describe how the image will appear on each printer and type of paper.

Where can I see ICC Profile used by scanner?

Friends:
How can I see which ICC profile my scanner used when it scans and the scan opens in photoshop CS5?
Note: Edit>Color Settings does not show it.
Thanks
Migs

Yes, actually the little triangle bottom left can show the profile. Oddly enough my scan didnt enter PSCS5 with a profile, even though the triangle shows profiles for the scanner...
Thanks!
Migs

Help with ICC Profiles

I have downloaded and installed ICC profiles (in Library/ColorSync/Profiles) for several Hahnemuller papers. The ICC profile appears in the Aperture Print dialogue box under ColorSync Profile. But when I hit print and the Epson 2400 dialog box comes up I can't choose it under Presets or Media Type.
How do I get these profiles to appear in the print dialog box?
Thanks, Susan

the Hahnemuehle paper that you purchased should have a recommended setting for the media type. for instance, for the Photo Rag papers you want to set the media type to Epson Velvet Fine art. other papers (like the fine art pearl) use other media types. also, make sure you have the proper type of black in installed in the printer (matte black vs. photo black) for your paper type.
all of this information is detailed at the Hahnemuehle web site:
http://www.hahnemuehle.com/site/us/1724/epson-settings.html
good luck,
scott

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