Printing with Lightroom versus Photoshop ...

I don't have a printer now, but I'm thinking to buy an Epson Stylus Pro ... and for my prospective print jobs, I have a question for printing gurus ...
Ceteris paribus ... are there any difference between photographs printed with Lightroom and printed with Photoshop from a .tiff file, 16 bit and in ProphotoRGB? If so, which programme do you prefer for your fine art works?
Thanks a lot.

I printed 288 patch target out of LR 4.4 and CS6. This is a rendered TIFF in sRGB. The average dE is tiny indicating at this point that data that is rendered doesn't go through the LR engine just to make a print (A raw most certainly must). The max dE is kind of high based I believe on not letting the Epson 3880 Luster targets dry. They were measured minutes out of the printer which isn't recommended <g>. I'll measure again tomorrow. I suspect that based on this quick test, and the fact that running rendered data in a defined color space though LR.'s processing color space makes no sense, that's probably what's not happening. When everything is set correctly, the difference between Photoshop and LR is insignificant.
dE Report
Number of Samples: 288
Delta-E Formula dE2000
Overall - (288 colors)
Average dE:   0.39
    Max dE:   1.53
    Min dE:   0.03
StdDev dE:   0.27
Best 90% - (258 colors)
Average dE:   0.32
    Max dE:   0.79
    Min dE:   0.03
StdDev dE:   0.18
Worst 10% - (30 colors)
Average dE:   1.00
    Max dE:   1.53
    Min dE:   0.79
StdDev dE:   0.17

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