Prints are too dark with CS4

Hi
I appreciate that this topic has been covered before but I cannot seem to find a resolution.
My prints are too dark when I print from CS4 with my Epson Stylus Photo 2100 printer(2200 in the USA).
I am using Windows Vista 32bit service pack 2.
My monitor has been calibrated correctly (brightness lever is 117cd/m2)
I am using genuine Epson Inks and paper (Epson premium semi gloss photo paper)
I have the latest drivers installed.
My workflow is Adobe RGB (1998)
I have turned off color management in the printer and selected the correct paper type etc.
In Photoshop I have selected Photoshop to color manage my prints and selected the correct
Epson profile for my paper/ink.
Black point compensation is on, and the rendering intent is relative colorimetric.
I am sure that somehow my prints are being double profiled but I do
not know how to prevent it.
Has any one found a working solution to this problem/
Any help greatly appreciated.
Dave

I also ran Disk Utility to repair permissions. The first time through there were maybe 100 repairs made to the AirPort Utility.app. I don't even use AirPort, so I don't understand that.
I've re-run it two more times and both times kept getting this message:
2010-04-20 19:22:17 -0500: Repairing permissions for “iMac HD”
2010-04-20 19:28:05 -0500: Permissions differ on "usr/share/derby", should be drwxr-xr-x , they are lrwxr-xr-x .
2010-04-20 19:28:05 -0500: Repaired "usr/share/derby".
2010-04-20 19:28:24 -0500: Warning: SUID file "System/Library/CoreServices/RemoteManagement/ARDAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/ARDAg ent" has been modified and will not be repaired.
2010-04-20 19:29:08 -0500:
2010-04-20 19:29:08 -0500: Permissions repair complete
2010-04-20 19:29:08 -0500:
2010-04-20 19:29:08 -0500:
Do I need to do anything else to fix that file?
Also, all three times I've repaired permissions it's taken over 5 minutes or more to complete. I've never had it take that long.
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Am using LR 5.7
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hen I export as a JPG and print, the prints are fine.
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