PROBLEM: AE Rendered Footage Jittery. Frame Swapping?

Hey everyone,
I recently shot some footages of my friend playing some basketball and decided to make a cloning video out of it. I imported the video file (605.mts) to AECS4, divided up, and layered the clips.
However, for some odd reason, the footage becomes jittery in preview and after export. It's like some frames got moved around. Perhaps the video itself would better explain things for me.
I shot the footage with a Canon Vixia HF100, which shoots in AVCHD that uses .MTS file format. I'm on a quadcore computer, 4gigs of ram. Using Adobe AE CS4. Any help will be appreciated! Thanks

Hum, this looks like an interpretation problem of your AVCHD file.
Short answer: AE struggles to read correctly your file.
Long answer: AVCHD has ton of flavors and revisions based on the original recorder device (camera), and the recording mode (preset you choose). AE supports most of those flavors, but new ones are released everyday on the market, making it difficult to be a reliable format. If you have not yet updated to 9.0.2, I recommand updating now as your AVCHD flavor support might be included in the update.
If it dones't change anything, I recommand you converting your file to a lossless codec format (like QT animation) to manipulate it correctly inside AE.
You can try the free converting tool MPEG Streemclip.
Hope that helps

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