Problem removing advanced pulldown

Hi There,
I have some 24p footage I digitized at 29.97 by accident. When I go to the tools menu and select "remove advanced pulldown" i get an error that says "break in advanced pulldown cadence (pattern) found near t." Any ideas?

Are you certain it's 24PA and not 24P?
You might be able to break it into smaller chunks with QT Pro and try removing advanced pulldown on that, but that's just a shot in the dark...
Patrick

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Problems removing Advanced Pulldown frames

I'm relatively new to 24PA, until now, I have captured quite a few projects now without any problems. The footage is always shot DVCPRO 50, I use the Panasonic AJ-SD93 Deck to capture the footage, selecting "remove advanced pulldown frames" in the FCP capture settings, and end up with great 23.98 progressive advanced footage.
The most recent project I've been working on, we received tapes that were shot by the same production group, same settings, same camera, and I was capturing with the same deck, same FCP settings, etc...however, after capturing, the files were not 23.98, but 29.97 (as a test, I captured from tapes in a previous project, it immediately came in as 23.98).
I tried to solve the issue after the fact by selecting the "Remove Advanced Pulldown" selection in the tool menu and received the error message *"File does not contain frames encoded using Advanced Pulldown".*
The 29.97 footage, based on my knowledge, seemed to indicate that it was, in fact, 24PA. For two reasons, one - every fifth frame in the 29.97 footage was a "split" frame, and two, breaking the footage down into fields, it seemed to have the 2-3-3-2 cadence associated with 24PA. However, for whatever reason, Final Cut could not find the cadence.
Why might this be?
I'd appreciate any informed opinions, but I can say that my guess is it has something to do with timecode and timecode breaks. The footage had an awful lot of timecode breaks and the timecode was being forced. I am wondering if this has something to do with why FCP could not pick up the cadence in the footage. (The only other variable that changed from previous successful 24PA projects is that these tapes were dubbed, and perhaps the dub house - which has shown itself prone to the occasional mistake - messed something up, but in this instance, don't see any evidence of that.)
Ultimately - I worked around the issue just fine, but it only makes matters more confusing, I brought the footage into Cinema Tools and did a Reverse Telecine (3:2 pulldown) and the footage turned it into clean-looking 23.98 progressive footage. Like I said before, analyzing the footage appeared to reveal that it was certainly 24PA with a 2-3-3-2 cadence and not 24P with a 2-3-2-3 cadence.
Any thoughts are welcome, thanks -

Just a thought: if the dub house made the dubs over SDI or analog, then the 24PA "flags" that were on the originals were likely not retained. That may be why FCP isn't seeing the pulldown cadence. I believe the only way to retain those advanced pulldown flags is to dub via firewire.
You can try capturing at 29.97 and running the files through Cinema Tools. Or see if the production company can send you the camera originals.
Jay

How to Remove Advanced Pulldown?

Some camcorders, such as the Panasonic AG-DVX100A (which is what I have), are designed to shoot in progressive mode at 24 fps (literally 23.98 fps) and then record the video to tape as a 60-field interlaced signal by applying a special kind of pull-down called advanced 2:3:3:2 pull-down. With previous versions of Final Cut, you could remove the redundant fields created by the camera’s pull-down, so that you can edit at 23.98 fps or 24 fps.
This was done previously by the following:
In Final Cut Pro, select the clips or sequence.
Choose Tools > Remove Advanced Pulldown.
How do I do this in Final Cut Pro X?
These menus do not exist and when I drop a previously existing clip into a new project there are duplicate frames (whether I choose to create the project properties based on the properties of the first clip imported or I specify manually I want it to be a 23.98p timeline), meaning that FCPX has not removed the pulldown automatically.
When I import a clip from tape/source then FCPX handles it correctly.
But there needs to be an option to fix this in already existing clips that have been imported prior to the existence of FCPX without re-importing all the footage.

well, in case anyone else who uses a dvx100 has this problem with previously imported 16x9 24pA .AVI files that you want to use in FCPX here is what i had to do. use compressor. convert each of the AVIs using these settings:
Name: FC
Description: DVX 24pA AVIs to MOV in FCPX 23.98P timeline
File Extension: mov
Estimated size: 11.05 GB/hour of source
Audio Encoder
16-bit Integer (Little Endian), Stereo (L R), 48.000 kHz
Video Encoder
Width: 720
Height: 480
Pixel aspect ratio: NTSC CCIR 601/DV (16:9)
Crop: None
Padding: None
Frame rate: 23.976
Frame Controls On:
Retiming: (Fast) Nearest Frame
Resize Filter: Linear Filter
Deinterlace Filter: Reverse Telecine
Adaptive Details: Off
Antialias: 0
Detail Level: 0
Field Output: Progressive
Codec Type: DV/DVCPRO - NTSC
Multi-pass: Off, frame reorder: Off
Scan Mode: Interlaced
Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Pixel depth: 24
Spatial quality: 100
Min. Spatial quality: 0
Temporal quality: 0
Min. temporal quality: 0
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Files get disconnected after removing advanced pulldown?

What does this message mean during import of a file.
http://screencast.com/t/OF4mSwA90
I got this problem after removing advanced pulldown on standard 24p footage. All the files were crossed out in the browser. i deleted them and re-imported but some are left out with that message on manual import.

The file plays fine in QT but suddenly won't import after attempted removing of advanced pulldown to all clips in the browser. The ones that remained 29.97 due to the inability of Cinema Tools to properly remove the advanced pulldown are the ones giving me the error on import.

Remove Advanced Pulldown and Reverse Telecine...

Hey guys,
I have read all the hundreds of postings here about problems with removing advanced pulldown. Some people mention using compressor to get the clips to 23.98. I was happy to find that indeed compressor did get the clips that I couldn't remove pulldown in FCP on to 23.98, and that those clips play on the same timeline as my other 23.98 clips. HOWEVER, the clips that were reverse telecined, then brought into FCP play with a stroby effect... There's weird horizontal lines through them. Anyone know what is going on? I guess I will start re-logging and capturing the clips as shorter clips and then try to remove the advanced pulldown on them (from what I understand FCP can't remove the pulldown if there is a cut within a clip...) but if anyone knows of an easier way to deal with this, let me know. I am working with 50 hours of footage, probably 5 of which I couldn't get the advanced pull down off of, so it's a lot of work! Thanks!

I found this answer to one of the posts about removing advanced pulldown problems:
"Are you certain it's 24PA and not 24P?
You might be able to break it into smaller chunks with QT Pro and try removing advanced pulldown on that, but that's just a shot in the dark..."
Patrick
Can someone explain how to use Quicktime Pro to break the clips into smaller chunks without going through and re-logging and capturing all over? Although, I already put all the clips that didn't get the pulldown removed in FCP through cinema tools to make them 23.98 too...I suppose this will make it impossible for me to use the QT PRo method...I am losing days of work here making smaller and smaller clips out of this material by logging and capturing over and over so I'm desperate to make sure there's not an easier way around this...
Outside of when you are tranferring to film, does anyone have a really good reason to shoot 24pA on the dvx100? With this project it was definitely a mistake!

Removing Advanced Pulldown from AVI files

I've recently switched from Vegas 4.0 to Final Cut Pro 5.1 and I'm trying to remove the advanced pulldown from my AVI files. I tried using Cinema Tools and it could not use the AVI. Then I tried using FCP tools/remove advanced pulldown option and the file went offline. Can sombody tell me how to do this?
Thanks

It wasn't out of sync before. I shot it on the Panasonic DVX100 in 24pa. Removed the pulldown and edited the film in Vegas. Now I want to transfer it to FCP change it to 16X9 and make a 16X9 24P DVD in DVD Studio Pro. When I did copy it back to tape from Vegas I used LP instead of SP so I could fit the entire movie on a mini dv tape. Maybe that has something to do with it not being able to remove the pulldown during capture? I think I'm going to try and split it up into 2 tapes and record sp mode.
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Remove Advanced Pulldown and Duplicate Frames

I've been researching this but still have not figured it out:
When I import Canon XF100 footage shot in 24fps from my CF card into FCP 7, in the "Log and Transfer" window under "Preferences", should I check or uncheck "Remove Advanced Pulldown and Duplicate Frames"? My thought was to uncheck the box since it is a function specific to P2 cards and that it wouldn't make a difference either way for my footage. Also (and I could be wrong), I didn't think any pulldown was necessary since I was shooting in 24fps. However, when I examined 2 test clips taken through both paths, there was one noticeable difference: the unchecked clip is larger (644.8MB) than the checked (582.8MB). Hmmmm....
Does this mean the footage changes based on if that box is checked or not?
And in my shooting/import scenario, should I check or uncheck that box?
Thank you.

23.98 and 23.98
> I have a few different cameras and some need pulldown and some don't but I've always left it checked under the > assumption that if there's nothing to pulldown it can't/won't and everything has been fine.
good to know. i agree. based on my conversations with the canon xf software folks, they were not entirely sure whether or not to check the box, so it doesn't seem to be a significant impact on the work flow.
thanks all for your input.

Why doesn't "remove advanced pulldown" work?

I have several large files captured directly from my XL2 in 24p Advanced mode and when I import them into FCP 5.1.2, the "remove advanced pulldown" menu item complains that there's no puldown in these files.
They're large (an hour each) dv files. about 10-12GB each. And they definitely have pulldown in them. Cinema Tools reverse telecine fixed 'em up just fine.
Any ideas? Thanks!

Interesting.
A little more background...
I am trying to implement a "poor man's" hard disk capture system. I run the firewire cable from my XL2 into my Powerbook and was using iMovie to record to a .dv file whilst simultaneously recording to a DV tape. I think my mistake was using iMovie instead of FCP. But the strange thing is that one of my events I recorded worked fine, and FCP's 23.98 timeline caused the video to be rendered beautifully as 24P. But the other one had nasty interlacing artifacts that lead me to believe the file wasn't captured well.
Anyway...I will try this again using FCP's capture now, and see if I can use a capture preset that removes pulldown as it goes.
One question: if I really don't want pulldown, should I be recording in ordinary 24P on my XL2?
Thanks!
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Advance pulldown removal problem

There is a bit of info i've found about similar issues but nothing covers my scenario. I captured dvx100a 24pa footage-- but without the advance pulldown removal selected. The clips therefore all had frame rates of 29.97. I then went to tools and added the "*remove advance pulldown*".
Two different things happened to my clips. It's corrupting some clips and not others. Some worked and changed to 23.98 fps. Others instantly went offline and when I tried to reconnect the media from the capture scratch I get this:
"*File Error: 1 file(s) recognized, 0 access denied, 1 unknown*" and I can't reconnect the media--that still plays fine in quicktime from the capture scratch. I have to re-digitize all the random clips that this happens to.
I'm wondering if it might be a fps and timecode issue-- or a codec issue. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
thanks.

Think I figured it out. There was a duplicate folder with the media files on two hard drives and FCP may have been trying to reference both. Deleted one folder and files went offline then when i reconnected the media and applied "remove advance pulldown" it worked this time.

Reconnect media dialogue not working properly after advanced pulldown rem..

i'm running a macpro with the latest version of FCP (5.1.4) and tiger (10.4.9)
i have a project where some of the footage is 24Pa, but was captured as regular 29.97 ntsc footage. because it's 24pa it's creating some interesting banding when i try to export out with out removing the pulldown. in an attempt to remedy this problem i decided to remove the pulldown and export everything as a 23.98 file (it's going on the web)
I selected all the clips that needed to have the pulldown removed and used the "remove advanced pulldown" from the tools menu. fcp went through and processed everything as it should, but when it finished it only reconnected a couple of the clips, leaving the rest offline.
I then selected the offline clips to manually reconnect them, and the reconnect dialogue opens, it lets me choose the files, but it doesn't show the file in the bottom half of the window, but it will continue to let me choose the next file down, the problem is when i hit the end of the list of files to reconnect, it still shows all the files in the top, and none in the bottome, but the "skip" "locate" and "search" button are no longer available and the "connect" button at the bottom is also not available.
i've checked the processed files with quicktime and they all read as 23.98 files now.
I made a copy of all the media files beforehand, so i have all the raw captures as 29.97 clips just as a forethought.
any ideas as to what the issues are? and why the reconnect dialogue is acting so strangely?
2.66 macPro Mac OS X (10.4.9) 2gb ram fcp 5.1.4

This shouldn't work. What the proper way of doing things is to capture, reverse telecine, THEN import into FCP and begin editing. You cannot, AFAIK, edit, then reverse telecine and have it connect. This is because all the original clips are linked to 29.97 media, and you are trying to connect them to 23.98 media...and it doesn't want to because the frame rates differ.
Remove pulldown BEFORE you edit, not after.
Shane

Advanced Pulldown

Has anyone had difficulty with removing advanced pulldown after capture? I captured footage shot with a Varicam, DVCPro HD 720p60. When I selected a clip to remove advanced pulldown I got an error message saying the clip was not DVCPro. Capture settings were all correct. Any ideas?
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Has anyone had difficulty with removing advanced
pulldown after capture?
no, never
I captured footage shot
with a Varicam, DVCPro HD 720p60. When I selected a
clip to remove advanced pulldown I got an error
message saying the clip was not DVCPro. Capture
settings were all correct.
i was under the impression that the varicam did not use advanced pulldown. also, 720p60 needs no pulldown inserted.

Quick question about advanced pulldown

Hi,
So, I am trying to make a MiniDV backup of a 23.98 sequence using FCP 4.5 and a Sony DCR-VX2000 camera. The footage in the sequence is non-time coded 23.98 footage from a DVD. To test if my backups are actually backups that I could later edit in 23.98, I have printed to tape, recaptured and removed the pulldown with either Cinema Tools or using Remove Advanced Pulldown, and placed the recaptured footage in a new 23.98 sequence. However, neither method has worked-- the wrong frames are removed or the captured footage just looked screwed up.
I tried two methods: printed to MiniDV with a 2:3:2:3 pulldown in the Playback settings, recaptured into FCP using normal DV capture, then used Cinema Tools'"batch reverse telecine" to remove the pulldown, then placed the footage in a new 23.98 sequence When that didn't work, I tried a 2:3:3:2 pulldown print to tape and captured using Advanced Pulldown Removal. That looked even worse.
Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
Powerbook G4 Mac OS X (10.3.8)

Well, this is what I did:
I created 4 tests clips, each printed to tape with a different playback setting (2323, 2332, 2224, full quality).
I then recaptured them all using both "Advanced Pulldown Removal" and no pulldown removal with Cinema Tools Batch Reverse Telecine used to remove pulldown on the clips.
Results: The proper frames seemed to be removed when 1) I printed to tape with a 2:2:2:4 pulldown and Reverse Telecined through Cinema Tools and 2) when I printed to tape with Full Quality and used Advanced Pulldown Removal. Nothing else worked.
HOWEVER, with both "succesful" methods, I found that when I played the clips in a 23.98 sequence, they had noise in he picture -- thin black horizontal lines on areas of quick movement. However, when clicked through frame by frame, this noise does not appear.
So, Apple users of ther world, who can explain a) why full quality works with Cinema Tools and b) what to do about the noise in the playback picture (but again not seen frame by frame), and whether it is part of the actual clip or not?
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ADVANCED PULLDOWN REMOVAL - Problem with 60 Hours of Material

After I capture about 60 hours of material and worked for the past 3 months in a 90 minutes documentary I realized that the material was shoot in 24P advanced and was not captured in advanced pulldown removal mode! What should I do now? Should I do an online of the 90 min sequence with advance pulldown removal? What should I expect to happen? Thanks a lot in advance for your help.

I am delivering an EDL to do an online in HD for later on blow it up to 35mm. I just don't want to fix problems in the online because it'll take time therefore MONEY. I was thinking on recapturing the master sequence in my machines at advanced pulldown removal, fix any problems and then export the EDL to go to the online.
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Audio goes missing after advanced pulldown removal

Anybody come across this? I can't find anything in the forum about it.
I shot 24pAdvanced on my DVX-100A. Captured everything as 29.97 NTSC DV in 20 min segments. I do a DV Start/Stop Detect to get markers placed, then do an advanced pulldown removal and edit on 23.98 timeline. I've got about 100 hours of footage, and have been going along quite smoothly on about 80 of those hours.
Recently however, some clips mysteriously lose their audio after the pulldown removal! Both audio tracks are still there, but they are flatlined. All except for the first 4 or 5 seconds actually. That much audio is present. Then the waveforms show it just flatline. Recapturing the tape replaces the audio, but then it disappears after the pulldown again!
Any thoughts would be welcome
2GHz Mac Book Pro Mac OS X (10.4.8) 1.5 GB RAM, FCP 5.1.2, 23" HD monitor

I am delivering an EDL to do an online in HD for later on blow it up to 35mm. I just don't want to fix problems in the online because it'll take time therefore MONEY. I was thinking on recapturing the master sequence in my machines at advanced pulldown removal, fix any problems and then export the EDL to go to the online.
Dual 2 GHz G5; 4.0 GB RAM, Mac OS X (10.4.8) Dual 2 GHz G5; 2.0 GB RAM,

Browser says Advanced pulldown didn't take: try cinema tools?

I'm in the midst of capturing many hours of interview footage shot in 24PA on a DVX100a. Although I always use the advanced pulldown capture setting, my results are inconsistent at best. According to FCP5's browser, some of my captured clips are 23.xx fps while others are still 29.xx fps.
1) Can I trust the accuracy of the info I see in the FCP browser with regard to the frame rate of my captured clips?
If so,
2) Should I now go back and try to recapture the clips that are listed as being 29.xx fps? Or would I be better off using Cinema Tools, which I understand can remove the pulldown from an already captured clip. One factor in my reluctance to re-capture is because there are occassional TC breaks in my footage that I often have trouble removing pulldown on the fly.
Thanks!
Powerbook G4 15" Mac OS X (10.4.4)

I had this problem once with DVCPro HD, and found the problem to be that if my capture started in bars & tone (I would go 1 second into them, to ensure I got every frame of video), FCP would take the B&T frame rate for the whole clip, which happens to be 60i. So as a result, any clip that had B&T at the head was at 60, while any other clip that started midway through the tape was fine. Perhaps you have the same situation, where you are capturing a camera generated signal, which will be at 29.97, so FCP assumes that that is the frame rate you're going for.
Hope this helps.
Craig

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