Problem setting line spacing before a paragraph

Just started using Pages and really happy with it but I have one strange problem. I've defined a number of paragraph styles that have non-zero "before" spacing. They all work fine except when I apply them to the first paragraph after the page header, when the before spacing ends up as zero (the after spacing works fine).
Any ideas what could be causing this?
Pete

Here you are speaking to end users like you.
I fell that being unable to apply a spacing before upon the first paragraph of a page is a true anomaly.
As far as I know, we aren't supposed to know where is the text splitter between page p and page p+1.
But, as an end user, I can't change this behavior.
_Go to "Provide Pages Feedback" in the "Pages" menu_, describe what you wish.
Then, cross your fingers, and wait _at least_ for iWork'11 ;-)
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 2 mai 2011 21:08:02
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