Problems editing ProRes 422 in FCPX– ? Frame rate issue?

I cannot edit video I import into FCPX except by using the Proxy media option in preferences.
I'm recording video from my HCX920 camcorder to Apple ProRes 422 format with Wirecast as the recording app during simultaneous live broadcasting.
The Wirecast encoding settings are set at: ProRes 422; 1920x1080; 29.97 fps for video and the audio is encoded as 24-bit integer; 48kHZ; 16-bit sample rate.
The video feed from the camera is 1080i at 59.94 fps.
The raw video file is identified as "Apple ProRes 422, Linear PCM" in Get Info. In QT 7 the FPS is listed as "29.81" Playing fps with the movie playing ranges from 28-30fps.
After I've imported the video to FCPX the "Project Properties" shows the video to be "1920x1080 | 59.94p". It seems that FCPX is importing the video recorded at 29.97 as if it were recorded at 59.97fps. Is FCPX transcoding my video to a higher frame rate?
I am unable to play the movie once it is placed into the timeline. It immediately stutters and shows the dropped frame warning. I am running FCPX on a Quad-Core Mac Pro with 20GB of RAM. The only way I can play the clip is by creating proxy media and choosing this in preferences.
What am I doing wrong? Any help will be greatly appreciated.
John

Kevin,
No, I was never able to get this problem worked out. It caused me to pull my hair out. When I compared the video quality of the ProRes output from Wirecast with the video recorded in AVHCD format on my camera's SDHC card the difference was dramatic. So I've stopped simultaneous ProRes recording in Wirecast and I now import the AVHCD material into FCPX from my camcorder's card.
I do, however, record the audio from my Wirecast broadcast and synch it with the video from the camera. The audio captured by the camera's built in mechanism is abysmally poor. This causes me more work but the final output is far superior to what I was getting from my Wirecast recordings regardless of format.
I wish I could help or offer more encouragement.
John

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