Problems exporting historic Apple Mail messages to Gmail

Hi folks,
I am in the process of leaving Verizon for another provider and wanted to use the opportunity to move to Gmail. I would like to export roughly 4,000 historic messages that I have on Apple Mail 2.5 to Gmail. I have set up Gmail on Apple Mail as an IMAP account as I think this is necessary for the export process (though going forward I will generally want to use the Gmail site to access email rather than using my Apple Mail).
While it was simple to import my verizon.net emails to Gmail, I am stuck on how to get the many older messages on Apple Mail exported.
Can anyone point me in the right direction? (And please be very specific! For example, though I generally have been informed that I should be able to "drag and drop" the historic messages, it is not at all clear to me what folders I need to access to do so, or how and where to drag them.)
Sorry to be so dim on what seems like not a terribly difficult question!

It is possible to do this without external tools, but it is a tremendous faff. See
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The easiest way, however, is to use Mail Exporter Pro https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mail-exporter-pro/id675131616?mt=12 which will convert the email for you from one format to the other, and comes with an excellent manual.
A third possibility is to connect Apple Mail to an email account via IMAP (this doesn’t have to be your usual account, you can just create a Gmail account for the purpose) . Copy all the messages into it and they will be uploaded. Then connect Outlook 2011 to the same account, via IMAP again, and let the messages download, then copy them to wherever you want to keep them and disconnect from that account. This is slow but preserves the attributes of your email (e.g. read/unead) better than any other method.

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