Problems ingesting AVCHD in FCE 4.01

When I connect my Panasonic camera to FCE or plug in the SDHC memory to a USB reader, FCE 4.01 crashes in an almighty heap of errors. I am new to FCE and i had it working one time - now it abends every time.
I have tried deleting cache and prefs as Tom Wolsky suggests but to no avail. I would be really grateful for some advice and help here. The files are MTS and the camera is a Panasonic SD700 with AVCHD set (not 1920x1080p) . Many thanks to any and all

Hi the AVCHD is 1920x1080 but not "p" and the files are MTS. The setting is the highest on the camera.
The Easy Setup settings are HD, 25fps and Apple Intermediate Codec 1920x1080i50. This is the correct codec I believe. Yes I am using Log and Transfer with the SD card in a USB card reader; I could try the camera but don't think that would help
The error is Exception Type: EXCBADACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERNPROTECTIONFAILURE at 0x00000000000000b8
Crashed Thread: 9
To both of you : Many thanks for taking the time and effort to respond I really appreciate your help

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