Problems with MSI 6712 KT400 board

I just installed my new KT4V-L motherboard and AMD XP2400+. I used the memory from my old system (Kingston PC-2100, 256MB DDR RAM). The case is Antec w/ 300W power supply. Leadtek GeForce2 MX 400 Video card. Windows 2000, current service pack
After my first boot attempt, the system crashed in BIOS. After this the system would not boot at all. I removed the new components and checked the memory, HD and video on the old system. Everything worked fine.
I reinstalled the new mboard. The system booted up fine, so I skipped BIOS and went to install the drivers. None of the drivers will install properly. They install wizard comes back with the error message: The data is invalid ?(
The system is running, but none of the peripherals are working except keyboard, mouse, and video card.
I checked with Kingston, and they claim that the memory chip is compatible, and has been tested with this system.
Has anyone encountered "The data is invalid"?
Please Help

Thank you all for your helpful suggestions!
First of all, at the recommendation from MSI support email, I did a clean install of Windows 2000. After this all of the drivers loaded properly, and it seemed that everything was working great :D
As I was doing my updates and reloading various software however, I began to experience severe problems with video and was constantly having multiple crashes. ;( I checked the power ratings of my little 300 watt power supply, and sure enough, it doesn't quite measure up to the suggestions in the FAQ post. So, I went and bought a new PSU, an Allied 400 watt. Maybe not the best out there, but it was available and the price was not too bad. Once I got the 400W unit in everything has been running beautifully !!!!
I've got the video settings cranked up to the max, and as yet haven't experienced a single stability issue. BTW- it's only a GeForce2 MX 400, so, we'll see what happens when I upgrade to the GF4. Still a few months away, but all is well for now.
Thanks again
Rocco

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1st we are talking about drivers here... not BIOS.
You shall not update your BIOS without very good reason, read here ==> https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=103441.0
"i have MS-6712 those BIOS updates don't work and even at the bottom of them it says "this bios can not be used with MS-6712"
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Here is my story about the same issue. I found it after looking at why my computer freezes sometimes. Not very often but enough for me to do some investigation. I noticed my IOH temp was a whopping 117 degrees Celsius. lol. Surprised my mobo didn't burn out by now. I wanted to evaluate the situation with the heat sink and decided to take it off. After taking it off I found extremely crusty purple compound on board the chipset and the heatsink. I took me FOREVER to scrape it off. it was almost like a cement which I found odd. After scraping and cleaning the surfaces with alcohol, I placed some silver compound on and proceeded to put it back on.
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Here if my fix. Cost me less than a dollar at the hardware store and it works ideal thus far. Do this at your own risk. Doing this will probably void any warranty too. All my problems are solved and I am running at 57 degrees, YES, 57 degrees with the stock heatsink and no additional cooling.
For one scrape all that old crap off like I did. Apply your new compound. But when you go to replace your heatsink, use the following method. The trick is to use metal screws with a mobo washer, original springs from the plastic studs and a nylon locknut. Use screws that are the same diameter and length (maybe a tad bit longer) as the plastic retainer studs. Also grab a few of those red nylon mobo washers too, were gonna need them as well.
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To summarize, the compound is a problem no doubt. After you resolve the compound issue, its all about the adequate pressure between the heatsink and the IOH. Much like the amount of pressure needed between your CPU and your heatsink give or take. And the pressure that would be as an aftermarket solution like the thermaltake chipset cooler. You dont see cheesy springs on that. Wake up MSI. Simpy using a more effective spring could save MSI some cash in the long run. I envision a leafsprin design like the thermaltake chipset one. The heatsink design could be better, sure, but the design itself is not the problem. Replace the heatsinks if you would like to, if your overclocking and stuff. Funny, this board I have is a refurb too and only had it for a few weeks. Figured they would have done something about it.
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HD: WD 1200JB Special edition
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O/S: Windows XP Pro SP1A, IE 6.x latest security patches
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Overclocking: No, system will not even run stable at rated speeds.
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CPU temperature has a wide range, depending on how cool the night is and if I have my windows open etc the system can be as low as 40c. Under load while gaming I've seen it go to between 59c-62c.
I've gone into Core Center and turned off the dynamic overclocking so it doesn't adjust speed in the middle of playing games, thinking that might be causing issues.
I've also cranked the fans up all the way in Core Center to increase cooling.
Heck I've even turned Core Center OFF thinking it was messing with my system.
No antivirus is running in the background while I'm gaming. I've fresh installed XP Pro. I've re-applied service packs.
I'm worried about the temperature but I don't necessarily know for certain the sudden shutdowns are a cooling issue.
I am going on week FOUR of problems with this new system. I have never purchased an MSI mainboard and seriously, I have just flat out had it. I've already been through one RMA'd board, I am not RMAing another. I have 3 days left on my newegg account before I am stuck with this MSI, forever. If I can't find a solution ASAP (in 24 hours!) I am returning this MSI board and getting a Gigabyte 8KNXP.
Can anyone help me out here with suggestions please. I'm at my wits end. I've never had to do SO MUCH WORK to get a system running stable. I put my P3 with Intel mainboard together 2.5 years ago and I haven't had ONE single issue.
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Chris

This is a different problem.. the first board just flat out died after upgrading the BIOS. I never even got to use it.
This new board upgraded the BIOS just fine but I've been experiencing crashes and shutdowns.
I don't have any spare motherboard or CPU to test it in, and if I did I'd still have to run it for several days..and I don't have several days due in part to me having to dink around with it for so long.
I would say I am in game for 30-60 minutes before I see temperatures that high. Although again I have been playing this same game on my P3-1ghz with the same Video card and never once had a shutdown like this. Never once overheated.
I have all the fancy display/graphics options turned off..I have tested in different resolutions (it makes no difference temperature wise)
I do not know what my core temps are, I can check when I get home and post them if it helps.
I'm running everything at stock speeds. I've noticed Core Center ups my speed slowly from 201x4 to 203x4 etc and so I disabled that and finally flat out took Core Center out of startup. I didn't want it modifying anything while I was playing on the chance it was causing the crashes. Still no change even after that.
The temp does seem a bit high, but I have lapped the heatsink and fan and applied a layer of termal paste (silicon based) to both the HSF and the CPU. I removed that old black pad by scraping it off and then cleaning it with some xylene based carburetor cleaner. I spent several minutes rubbing the black melted parrafin goo off the processor and HSF with a coffee filter. I'm very confident there was little to none left when I applied the new thermal paste.
I don't understand why it runs so hot, nothing is overclocked, I'm running low settings in the game. These temps i'm posting are from Core Center. I have the case OPEN (plenty of ventilation) and I have the windows in my room open to the night air!! (i live in san diego, its cool at night right now) I tried with the case closed also just to be sure and I received the same temperature readings.
None of this makes sense...and after 4 weeks and 500 dollars I'm tired of having to make it sense. It should work right away and that's that.

Many problems with MSI Control Center

have a lot MSI mobo
I still P45 & P45 Diamond Memory lover.
the problem of their old dual core center was that sometimes bug "debug assertion failed" came ..
but now I have 5 mobo 1155:
msi Z77
msi b75
msi z68
msi H67
msi h61
in all of these motherboards, the start of the OS, the latest version of control center never keeps the settings that I have saved as a "default"!
for example, the Z77 does not maintain the memory for the fan cpu, while fan1 & fan2 are active, but not to the minimum value that I had memorized ..
the z68 instead only stores the value of the cpu fan
the H67 does not store anything ..
and also the other way!
indicted versions of MSI CC are those where the adjustment of the fans is not only numeric, but also with the graph ..
I seem to recall that older versions of CC II without the graphics did not have so many problems in the management of the fans (but I'm not sure about this)
I do not know if I'm wrong something in the settings of the BIOS, or the software itself!
and I wonder if the ControlCenter has a bug so big, that users do not make a mass protest to the manufacturer directly!
I hope you can help me positively.
I am very disappointed with this software MSI, I would be a little desire to leave my beloved brand ...
thanks
max
p.s. I can understand for the "old" h61/h61, but it is absurd that the Z77 motherboards & b75 does not have control of all the connectors on the PCB Tachometer & PWM ... not to mention the z68 should be the most valuable of all
(as opposed to other manufacturers that optimize much better implementation "fan control")

Quote from: Froggy Gremlin on 05-March-13, 12:39:59
You have been around here long enough to know this is a user to user community and can't do anything about BIOS or S/W problems.
With 16 MSI machines here in the hobby/test room, not one has CC or LU5 on them. For machines I want to control any fans on, I simply install an aftermarket fan controller to do the job. You might try the SpeedFan utility. That seems to be popular.
Talk of jumping brands falls on deaf ears here, and is your choice because of unhappiness with optional S/W.
yes, I have been long enough, but the forums are also used to find solutions ..
maybe some user could answer to me better than you, do not you think?
and this forum is not managed directly by MSI lately?
use a fan controller is not a solution to the problem!
you can not really think that just because you use the external controller.
if MSI creates software with the same problem on all chipsets,
then MSI should fix this software!
otherwise does not produce even, which is less disappointment around.
for my opinion then check the BIOS is much better than using anti-aesthetic Rheobus ..
optional S / W is part of the motherboard itself, while SpeedFan is a third-party utility ... the situation is the same..
I will open a ticket, but it is absurd that MSI does not realize that their own software has this great Bug ..
you say you can not be faulted, and instead I think yes.
especially if you love MSI.
I with 7 Mobo MSI + 6 VGA MSI I can say I devoted customer, and always recommendMSI products to all around..
all software MSI are good, afterburned, video genie, fast boot, and also the ControlCenter II for the management of the cpu and ram is good software!
my anger is that there is only this damn small bug in the software fan control, and I do not understand that the manufacturer and users (inside and outside the forum) do nothing to have a solution!
Quote from: Bernhard on 05-March-13, 14:59:12
Why this sudden realisation that you are missing something on all the MSI boards that you acquired over the years.
Did you ever inform MSI about this at the time that you purchased each and every board ?
the reason is my laziness to contact customer support (and laziness to write here) that I missed until now.
is because with P45 diamond7memory lover Customer Support could not solve the problem.
and because H67 & h61 htpc that are in use a short time
and because z68 erain bench test that used very little time (due to living with my girlfriend) and I have to resell soon.
but now that I have just arrived Z77 & B75 I want to solve this problem.
and if I decided now-finally-maybe I had more important things to do, but now I realized that it is not possible that all boards have bad dialogue with MSI ControlCenter!

Network problems with MSI 790FX-GD70

Hi All
I have a problem with the onboard network cards.
It only works the first time from cold boot (when the powercable is completly disconnected from the PC, and LAN cable disconnected, turn on PC and then connect LAN cable)
If I shut it it down or restart the computer, then the LAN card disconnects, eg no lights active on either the pc nor the router. But if I do the procedure described above everything works ok again.
Same problem occours with both LAN ports.
My system:
MSI 790FX-GD70
AMD 720BE
4GB Corsair 1600mhz DDR3
2x Asus HD4850 Crossfire
2x Samsung t166 320GB HD
Windows XP SP3
Tried 3 different routers but all with the same error. So everything points towards the motherboard.
Please help.
PearsonDK

Quote from: Fredrik on 09-August-09, 06:19:22
If the LAN-card is disconnected I wonder if the LAN-card is "present" at all. Check Deceive Manager. Please give some PSU info. Problematic booting and falling out devices...
Also, please, what is your BIOS Version? Make sure its 1.4 .
Drivers - have you downloaded the latest ones from MSI's site and installed them for the LAN card?
Man.. is it me, or have there been like 6-7 people coming up with similar LAN issues on this board? I've never known an onboard NIC to have issues.

Graphics problems with MSI Twin Frozr II GTX460 768

Hi,
My previous video card, a BFG 9800 GTX died, so I bought a GTX460 Twin Frozr II 768 and installed it a week ago. (I also bought 2 more gb of RAM at the same time). I'm now having several problems with the computer. My DVD player is no longer recognized for some reason, maybe there's a conflict somewhere? But the thing directly related to the video card is that whenever I enter a graphics-heavy game such as Dawn of War 2, it works for a few minutes, then everything freezes for about 5 seconds, after which there is massive graphics corruption. Colors are often inverted to their negatives (blacks become white, for instance), writing is illegible and corrupted, etc. One time after doing this the computer crashed with an error message stating the NV4 driver.dll had failed. This happens nearly every time I try to play a game, but there are no apparent problems with web surfing, watching movies, or anything else.
I have searched the web and found many instances of this problem and I've tried many of the solutions, with no success: I've reinstalled the latest drivers several times, doing clean installs each time. I've used a Driver Cleaner, even tried doing a Windows System Restore. I've gone in manually to see if there were duplicate NV4.dlls, which 1 place said is sometimes the problem, and there aren't. I've run a registry cleaner and tune up program, which another person said fixed his problems, but it didn't help me. I've even turned down the clock rate and speeds (underclocked from factory settings) the video card by a significant amount, and that didn't help.
Does anyone have any suggestions? Do you think it's a hardware problem with the new video card? If so, should I RMA it to the online retailer I bought it from or MSI directly? I hate to lose use of my computer again while it is mailed to them and another card is mailed back, though. I'm not even sure if the card is the problem...
My system:
Core 2 Duo 6600 @ 2400
3 GB of RAM
Windows XP Service Pack 3
850 watt Thermaltake Toughpower PSU

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I took your suggestion and removed the new RAM, and I just tested it. I was able to play through 2 whole games of Dawn of War 2 and the error didn't happen, so it looks like you guys were right!
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Core 2 Duo 6600 @ 2400
3 GB of RAM
Windows XP Service Pack 3
850 watt Thermaltake Toughpower PSU
what board you have? Read >>Posting Guide<<
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My old RAM is 2 sticks of 512 Corsair XMS2 gaming RAM, 800mhz, 5-5-5-12 latency.
My new RAM is a single 2gig stick of Kingston HyperX, 800mhz, 5-5-5-15 latency.
Mixing memory sticks is asking for troubles....No wonder that you have stability issues when you use both of them at the same time
However that's no VGA problem as already proofed.

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