Production Order Basic Finish Dates

Our plant managers expect production order start and finish dates to freeze at release, even when operation confirmations are not made according to schedule or when the component availability situation changes. Is there a way to freeze the production dates without affecting the sales order schedule line dates--we're in a static assembly world.
Thanks,
Amy

Dear Friend,
As i said, in Production order, under Production order - Setting - Scheduling maintain the number of days in past (says 100 days).
Now in below select the scheduling type as backward scheduling and in Finish date give the date which is in past and now enter (or schedule the order). Because of this system will propose the start date which will also be in past.
Regards,
JItendra

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Process Order Basic Finish Date and Scheduled Finish Date

Folks,
I have a requirement from the business to be able to update the Process Order Basic Finish Date and Scheduled Finish Date independently from each other.
In other words, update the Basic Finish Date and the Scheduled Finish Date cannot change or update the Scheduled Finish Date and the Basic Finish Date cannot change.
I believe the reason for this is to be able to use the Basic Date to maintain the ATP accurately and keep the Scheduled Date to mark when the order was originally due from the shop floor to be able to measure if orders are being completed on time or late.
I have worked in tnx OPUZ and had some success with other issues with these dates but I can't seem to make them work independently from each other.
Or does anyone have any ideas how to measure proces order performance to the production schedule?
Thank you for your help,
Greg

Rajesha, thank you for your reply but it doesn't solve my problem.
Let me restate my scenario:
I start a process order and both the basic and scheduled finish dates are the same, June 1.
At some point, shop floor tells me they will be late and cannot deliver until June 15.
I need to update a date in the system so the ATP and the MRP planning runs have correct information for promising customers, I will update the Basic Finish date with June 15.
I also need to keep the original June 1 date in order to measure the shop floor performance to the production schedule to measure how early or late the order was delivered. How can I keep the original finish date or how can I measure if a process order is early or late??
Thank you for your help,
Greg

Collective orders header order basic finish date is not changing

Hai all,
I am working on collective orders. The header order has Basic finish date as 17.05.2011 . Now i have changed this date to 10.05.2011 and re scheduled the order . But again system changing the Basic finish date to 17.05.2011. how to solve this.
In the outline dates also i have given finish date 10.05.2011 it is remaining the same but order Basic finish date is not changing and schedulded dates are also not changing. can anybody help.

Hi gurus,
In a collective order suppose the lead order is having three child orders. Kindl
If one of the child order is partially confirmed is the entire collective order can be rescheduled.
If one of the child order is Fully confirmed is the entire collective order can be rescheduled
Can any body help me out

Production Orders - Scheduled Finished Date Basic Finish Date

In production orders, it is being noticed scheduled finished date lies further than basic finish date, what could be the
reason? what configuration should we need to do in order to make scheduled finish date matches (or) lies before basic finish date

Eshwer,
Basic dates of production orders can be made to match scheduled date.
Config is at OPU3. Under the "adjust scheduling" section, select either 1 or 'blank'.
Best Regards,
DB49

Production order Basic start date calculation

Hello PP Sapperu2019s,
I have an production order for total qty - 865,00.This production order created on 11.08.2011 and I could able to see the Basic start date as 26.06.2011.Please let me know how this basic start date gets calculated. I mean what are all the parameters included for calculating this basic start date.
My Observation:
I have checked in OPU3 for the respective plant and order type the scheduling type mentioned as Backward.
SMK u2013 903 (ie, opening period for planned order u2013 3 days)
In Routing we have two operations.
Requesting from forum people to give me the detailed calculation part on how this basic start date gets calculated / arrived.
Please let me know if you need any more inputs.
Cheers,
Kumar.S

Hi Kumar,
As per my understanding this is all decided/maintained through scheduling parameters which are defined in Customizing per order type, plant and production scheduler (from the material master) (Customizing for Shop Floor Control, by choosing Operations > Scheduling > Define Scheduling Parameters). In what follows the parameters are described that affect the scheduling of a production order. Further control parameters are described in the course of this section.
According to your query I suggests ,In Customizing you can specify that an order is rescheduled as soon as it is a certain number of days late (Start in the past indicator). The system then automatically carries out today scheduling when the basic start date of the order is more than the given number of days in the past. This scheduling is a type of forward scheduling starting from todayu2019s date and where the necessary reduction measures are applied .
Else you can also specify that a production order is to be rescheduled automatically whenever it is saved (indicator Automatic scheduling). If changes relevant to scheduling are made in the order and this indicator is not set then the order is given the status NTER (dates not current).
Hope this would be useful for you at some extent.
Please revert if required .
Regards
Chandra

Production Order confirmed finish date

Good morning,
I have a question concerning the confirmed finish date (GLTRI) on the general tab of the production order header. We have an order that a partial confirmation was done on the last operation with no yield. This was the first confirmation of the order. The general tab shows a confirmed start date and a confirmed finish date. First question is why the confirmed finish date if nothing was completed. The confirmation was then canceled and the start confirmed date was removed but the confirmed finish date remained. More testing revealed if a final confirmation was performed on the last operation where it is set to do an automatic goods movement the start and finish confirm date was filled in. When the confirmation was canceled the start and finish confirmed dates were removed. Has anyone come across this before?

dear John,
I played in our TST system and found the same behaviour (which I consider is a standard).
I can't see this "confirmed dates" settings in config.
It seems like as soon the first entry comes in AFRU system sets the 'Start Confirmed' date even if LMNGA is zero
After cancellation system cleans this field date because the order status comes back to REL (the was only the one zero partial confirmation which was cancelled later). but keeps 'Finished Confirmd' field populated. Of course, the second record in AFRU (the cancellation) is created.
To avoid a misunderstanding I suggest advise your users to run CO14 (display prod.order confirmation) or just use COOIS.
good luck!

Why the basic finish date is not adjusted in planned orders

Hi, all.
Can anybody help me to understand:
"Why the basic finish date is not adjusted in planned orders during
forward scheduling, but in production order basic finish date is adjusted?
It is look like non-coordination between groups of developers.
And lead to situation, when planner don't see in MD04 when he can really wait material receipt. He must go to planed order and check production data there, it's unusable."
Am I right, or SAP have it's own logic.

Hi,
Production orders are different story. Since production order is a constant element, they are not created in the course of MRP, basic dates can be adjusted. In production order basic finish date is adjusted, but you won't see for the upper level materials', basic dates of the planned orders adjusted according to the prodcution order you create. Production order is consistent within itself in terms of date and is not dependent to other elements of MRP, but planned orders are not like that.
MRP creates planned orders whose basic finish dates are calculated by subtracting goods receipt time from production start date of the source of requirement. MRP works backwards without changing directions. Meanwhile if any production finish date is calculated different than the basic finish date due to forward scheduling, in order not to violate the alignment between the basic finish date and source of requirement's start date, basic finish date is not adjusted. If it was, dates of all the planned orders calculated so far at the upper levels of the BOMs had to be recalculated, otherwise all the consistency of all the dates is violated. This cannot be done because changes in any level affects all lower levels.

The Basic Finish date is a Day earlier than Planned date

Dear Experts,
I am getting a strange behaviour about Maintenance order Basic Finish Date when generated from Maintenance Plan. I have Customizing settings (TCode : OPU7) Adjust: "Adjust Basic dates, adjust dep reqmts to order start date" and scheduling type : Backwards in Time. For this setting Order Basic Finish Date is a day earlier than Planned date , but when Schduling type is Backwards instead of Backwards in Time, Basic Finish date is same as Planned date.
Example: The start of cycle of a monthly plan is 14-Nov-2010, 1st Planned date is 14-Dec-2010. When Scheduling type is " Backwards in time" , the order generated is having Basic Finish Date as 13-Dec-2010 .And when Scheduling type is "Backwards" , Basic finish date is 14-Dec-2010.
Thank you.
-Malay-

Hi there,
Please check the primilinairy buffer in your strategy package. This field have an effect on your order start date.
But I agree on Pete, you should use a forward planning.
Regards,
Johan
Edited by: Johan Zeeman on Dec 17, 2010 11:29 AM

Material Availability Date and Corresponding Basic finish date

Hi experts,
I have one requirement from my Business for updating Basic Finish date based on the Material availability date
Requirement goes like this, When we enter a Component of 100 qty in the service order , if stock is not available we get system status as MSPT and IWBK we can see how much quantity confirmed
But i dont see any table or report which shows when this material can be available for further delivery. Based on the next available material date i have to change the basic finish date in the service Order
Please let me know if you any report available for this or any standard approach. I want to know if any exist to leverage this functionality and logic how to get this accomplished
thanks
sarvan

Sarvan,
You would need to perform this check when saving the work order as there could be multiple components all with differing ATP dates.
But a development could do something like:
Read all active/open components/materials on the work order
Determine the availability data for each component/material
Determine the latest of the above dates
Apply this date to the order Basic Finish Date
You would need to ensure your scheduling parameters do not set this date back to its original value (OPU7).
You could achiev the above through user-exit IWO10009 (SMOD) or BADI WORKORDER_UPDATE (SE18).
PeteA

Production Order: warning when Basic finish date is before scheduled finish

Hello experts,
We will set in config OPU3 (scheduling parameters for prod order) Adjust dates = 2 Do not adjust basic dates, ... Essentially this will allow the shop floor controller to change scheduled date ie. production dates without affecting basic dates.
With this setup the system may display in the header of an order the scheduling note "Basic finish date is before scheduled finish" as well as generate a scheduling log "Scheduled finish is after basic finish date" (message 36 mess class C7).
These messages are not enough visible for our planners. I would like to find a way to generate a warning before save. I tried to add a record in OPJB: message class CO no. 533 "Scheduled date & is after the requirements date &" but this doesn't work.
Note: I tried to add message class C7 no 36 in OPJB but got the error "Please enter a legal value".
Have you been able to add message in table OPJB ? Is it a good idea or the only option is enhancement?
Thanks for sharing your ideas.
Francois P.
Edited by: Francois Paquet on Sep 30, 2010 5:30 PM

Hi Francois
I'm trying to do the same (also for C7 035).
Have you already found out how to do this?
Arno

Production order basic dates (start and finish) in past

Hi,
My clinet has got one requirement where in they want to create an production order with past date (Basic start and finish). I found one way to achieve this by selecting the scheduling type as "Only Capacity requirement", but the disadvantage is that the order will not get scheduled.
Do you know any other method to achieve this functionality?
Thanks and Regards
Purushothaman Nagarajan

Dear Friend,
As i said, in Production order, under Production order - Setting - Scheduling maintain the number of days in past (says 100 days).
Now in below select the scheduling type as backward scheduling and in Finish date give the date which is in past and now enter (or schedule the order). Because of this system will propose the start date which will also be in past.
Regards,
JItendra

Production finish date differs from basic finish date in backward schedulin

Hi, experts.
When i do scheduling the planned order,
production finish date differs from basic finish date in backward scheduling as below.
Scheduling: Backward
Basic finish date : 2010.01.22
Basic start date : 2010.01.21
Production finish date : 2010.01.23 09:00:00
Production start date ; 2010.01.22 03:57:09
*GR time : 0.
*Scheduling Margin key : 0.
I don't know why production finish date set in 2010.01.23 09:00. ( Basic finish date +1 day)
Please reply me.
Thanks.

Dear Jong,
1) what is the parameter used in MRP run, Basic scheduling or lead time scheduling
2) you must find a exception Mssg for that plan order in MD04
3) basic scheduling take the time from material master & lead time scheduling will take time
from Routing
Regards
Madhu

Changing basic finish date in Preventive maintenance orders

Hi Experts,
My requirement is to block PP work centre when maintenance schedule the equipment for preventive maintenance. I am making system condition as zero in generated preventive maintenance order but basic finish date is not changing in the order automatically. Can anybody please explain how to bring this? Finally my requirement is system should change basic finish date and time as time given in operation of task list.
Thanks in advance.
best regards,
Srinivas M

Hi Praveen,
I have done all setting and tested but there is no change.
My client requirement is like this - whenever maintenance plans are scheduled, for the scheduled dates, production capacity should not be considered by production. We could do this for breakdown orders but not happening for PM orders unless we change the finish date.
The issue is to get the finish date automatically when scheduling maint.plans with respect to values given in operations. Please suggest how to get the basic finish dates automatically.
best regards,
-Srinivas

Want last date of the month as default basic finish date for the Proc order

For forward scheduling type in process order, irrespective of the start date i want last date of the month as my basic finish date.
Ex start date can be 01/10/2009 or 15/10/2009, but the basic finish date should be 31/10/2009.

Hi Sam,
sorry to say , its not possible in standard SAP.
1) If, on order creation, a planned order exists for the production order/ process order, the basic dates are copied from the planned order.
2)If no planned order exists on order creation, you must specify at least one basic date.
The scheduling type determines the basic dates that you must specify. and it useses timings from routings for scheduling.
so may be you need some work around.
explain your requirement why do you want to fix it for the last day of month and other constraints, may be we can find some way.
Regards
Ritesh

Change of Basic Finish Date for a Maintenance Order

Hi Experts,
I have a requirement where I need to change the Basic Finish Date of an order. Currently in config for order type and plant combination, scheduling parameters are set as:
Adjust to Basic Finish Dates
Automatic Scheduling.
If in an order, I remove the tick for Automatic Scheduling, I am able to change that but I am not supposed to do that.
Can you suggest me how thisissue can be resolved. Remember, changing the Config is not an option.
Regards...

hi
Since you have done the adjust basic dates ,kindly change the operation dates ,which will automatically change the dates specified in the operation dates
regards
thyagarajan

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