Profile editor out of Beta?

Hi
Question for Chan (please)
The Camera Profiles are now out from beta and released with ACR 5.2 and DNG converter 5.2. That's OK!
The Profile Editor is out of beta too?
I noticed the DNG profiles and editor link is not show on labs site main page list. Can be reached via search on site however.
Any update to PE to be released officially?
Thank You for the info.
Massimo

Massimo, the DNG Profile Editor is still in beta and is likely to remain so for the foreseeable future.
You may a good point in that it would be useful to have a more obvious link from the labs page.
But for now, there is also a link from the main DNG page (www.adobe.com/dng).

Similar Messages

DNG Profile Editor 1.0 beta 2 and real color

Where can I introduce the real value of my ColorChecker Chart?
Value of my chart L= 28.3 a= 15.3 b= -45.1
Référence value of the ColorChecker Chart L= 28 a= 19 b= -54

There is no way to do that currently.
However, our reference data is actually taken from the average of several physical charts and its blue patch is about 1.5 DE 1994 units from the blue patch of your chart, so I do not think it will make a huge difference.

Profile Editor and DNG Profiles - Still Beta 2?

Are the DNG profiles and Profile Editor still at Beta 2? I am confused because the Adobe Labs DNG Profiles resources page (http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles) has not been updated since Oct 22 2008, but Lightroom 2.2 provides non-beta profiles. What is the present status?
Thanks.

It has been several months since I originally posted this inquiry and Thomas replied, and so I'm just checking again.
Has there been any update to the DNG Profile Editor since Beta 2 was made available? (and, if not, is there anything you can share about what's going on with this tool?)
I am continuing to use Beta 2 with successful results, but I am curious as to the status...
Thanks,
/eddie

Camera Profiles and DNG Profile Editor beta 2 now available

Hi everyone,
Beta 2 of the camera profiles and DNG Profile Editor are now available. Please visit here and enjoy:
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles
I hope to have more detailed release notes/changes for you soon. You are welcome to ask questions, but please note that it may take a while for me to respond.
Eric

Eric,
I followed very carefully your instructions for installing the new beta2 profiles and deleting the beta1 profiles, but have the same problems as many others. I'd like to provide a bit more information. I'm running Windows Vista Home Premium and have installed Photoshop CS4, updated with ACR5.1 and Lightroom 2.1 final release. As others have described, the default for all of my images was set to one of the Camera profiles (Canon faithful beta1), but now the profile name in Lightroom is blank. I tried looking at the other profiles and it does indeed appear that the beta2 profile is being used, but if I then reset the image it now shows ACR4.4, whereas the image had been imported with the camera profile as default. Also, if I open an image in ACR5.1 that was specified to use the same camera profile, it now shows ACR4.4 and it is not using the beta2 profile of what I had been using, I can see this by selecting the other profiles. Going back to Lightoom, I guess I could select all my images and select the Canon faithful beta2 profile, but then the mark shows up bottom right of the image showing that they have all been edited/modified, is there anyway to get all my images using the profile I was using but the beta2 version, without this happening and how about new imports?
Thanks, David.

ICC profile editor

Hi. Anyone knows an ICC (ICM) profile editor (by Adobe or - in lack thereof - any other, preferably freeware) to fine-tune an ICC profile created by a calibration device ? Thanks.

@PeterFigen: I know, they shouldn't be edited. Datacolor already exchanged the device, same results. We have problems on several different monitor brands. I feel, Datacolor's calibration doesn't do a good job. Thanks for suggesting ProfileMaker5's Edit Module, I'll try that out.
@Glenn_UK: Thanks for confirming that Photoshop has no such capabilities. And I admit, I didn't quite understand the article I was linking to. I just read "Open Photoshop ... Save as a copy, and create a new icc profile with this file" So I thought, maybe Photoshop has a function I'm not aware of. The problem I experience is that the monitor - after calibration - has a slight green cast (when compared to an industrial greyscale chart). So basically, I wanted to bend the green gamma curve a bit down. I know, that this is not a solution, but I have to get a job done and need this as a temporary fix in the meanwhile ... better than nothing. I will study other calibration devices afterwards, I just don't have the time right now for this work unfortunately.
@GustavoSanchez+Glenn: Thanks for suggesting BasICColor Display4. I'll look into that.
@Freeagtent: I work on an Eizo Flexscan Monitor. It has several predefined working modes: Text, Picture, Movie, Custom, sRGB. Obviously exluding the first three, I settled for sRGB, because in this mode I can only adjust the backlight, nothing else and I thought - or at least hoped - that it would be closest to my calibration target (sRGB) and thus make me achieve the best calibration results (because the less the display output has to be "corrected"/"adjusted", the better). Also, in custom mode, I have several settings and therefore more possibilities to do something "wrong" ... so I thought I stick to sRGB, because there are no parameters and the SpyderCalibration has no parameters in that case either, so at least there's no possiblity for a user-error.
And thanks for thinking about it, but yes, my monitor is warmed up >1 hour and I have the ambient light detection set to off (as suggested by Datacolor's support). I have filed a ticket with them more than 1 month ago and every once in a while I get messages, saying they are sorry, they are still evaluating the problem on it on different systems/monitors, so judging from that, I guess they might have a production problem.

Creative use of CC calibraton in the DNG Profile Editor

The DNG Profile Editor can be used to create profiles that mimic film looks.
I think right now it is manual trial & error process involving changes in hue, saturation and lightness, but it could be theoretically achieved with Color Checker calibration working in reversed order.
- Photograph the CC using your favorite film
- If B&W, develop in your favorite developer
- Scan the film
- Use the scan in the DNG Profile Editor as target values
The current DNG Profile Editor obviously does not allow that, it would require adding a new tab and clone the CC calibration feature and alter it to use the photographed values as target values as opposed to internal values.
I don't know if it would be worth the effort, but I thing the idea is worth of sharing.
By the way, unless I'm doing something wrong, the saturation slides don't seem to go 0%, so creation of B&W profiles is not possible.

Good idea. Yes, I've posted an example on my Flickr.
I chose a picture with good reds and yellows. There are four images in the set:
1. The original, untouched image. This is using the new Adobe Standard beta profile, brought into Lightroom with all default settings, including linear tone curve, no exposure or color adjustments, white balance "as shot", etc. For reference.
2. The image with my test profile applied, but no further adjustment.
3. My original attempt at the image, using the "old fashioned" pre-DNG-profiles raw processing method, for reference. The yellows are orangeish, which isn't that objectionable but also isn't accurate. The reds are weaker than I would like.
4. The "final" image, with my test profile plus additional tweaks -- white balance, tone curve for contrast, crushing out the blacks a bit more, etc. Two or three minutes of total processing, versus quite a bit more for the previous attempt with no "special" profile. The reds and yellows are perfect.
The Flickr set:
http://flickr.com/photos/100mph/sets/72157606547890574/
This was just a first, pretty quick attempt at playing with the DNG Profile Editor. I'm sure it can be tweaked more and even more can be accomplished.
[Edit: note: I changed the "upload date" on the test images so they wouldn't stay at the top of my Flickr page. Ignore the 2007 date, it doesn't mean anything.]

Colorchecker passport and the DNG profile editor

I finally got around to getting a Colorchecker passport to use with the DNG profile editor.
I was secretly hoping I could save time by shooting the chart on location and make an instant profile out of that - then the colors would be at least "close ballpark" so I would just have to apply white balance and then move on to more specific adjustments. But of course it wasn't that easy, it still takes a fair bit of color tweaking to get right in most circumstances.
So I'm wondering if my energy would be better spent trying to perfect one good dual illuminant general profile. For this I would use 3000 K tungsten at one end and 5500 K studio flash at the other. Or would it be better to use overcast daylight? In either case it's obviously important to ensure the chart is absolutely evenly lit.
And then I should probably have a separate profile for fluorescent tubes.
I'm curious what other people's experiences with the colorchecker/DNG profile editor are? How are you using it?

The color profile changes with the lighting, so a profile that was computed for daylight won’t be right for tungsten or fluorescent. Keep in mind that a custom camera profile is the set of corrections on top of an existing Adobe profile that the DNG has assigned to it, perhaps Adobe Standard, and all Adobe profiles are dual-illuminant profiles, so it makes sense you’d want to also create a dual-illuminant profile for general purpose use that has the same two lighting scenarios as Adobe used: 2850K and 6500K. The 6500K is the tricky one because full sun is warmer, closer to 5000K, and you need the right amount of haze to create 6500K sunlight, unless you are using standard D65 bulbs, indoors, which is likely what Adobe does.
I use a dual-illuminant profile for general purpose use, but since the WB-Tint values of both the tungsten and daylight ends are close to zero, lighting that has a tint not close to zero needs a separate profile. The common example is the greenish light from fluorescents, and I have several single-illuminant profiles for various artificial lighting scenarios with WB-Tint values that are relatively non-zero. I also have ones for very red sunsets and very blue twilight. If I had studio lighting I’d make a profile for that. Sometimes I make a custom profile for a church or other venue that has significant non-neutral walls or ceilings, or where sunlight through the stained-glass windows shining on the walls are giving a significant color-cast including a non-zero tint value to the lighting. If you know you’ll be doing some shots near a large amount of tall, green vegetation then a custom color profile can correct for the green tinge to the ambient lighting coming down from above mixing in with the sunlight.
Adding to the suggestion about wearing neutral clothing, I’d argue for dark neutral clothing because something lighter clothing will reflect environmental colors (sunlit vegetation or brick walls, etc, outdoors) and not be neutral.
Besides non-neutral clothing, try to avoid areas that have green grass or tree leaves or brick buildings that also color the light and reflect off the colorchecker. For the sunlit shots, I put my colorchecker face up on the sidewalk or parking lot, to avoid coloration from the grass and far away from trees or buildings especially in the direction I’m pointing the camera, so the only lighting is direct sun and ambient blue-sky, possibly diffused by hazy clouds. I point the camera down at the colorchecker, at a 45-degree angle and at a compass direction and not directly toward the sun, nor directly away from the sun. I try to shoot the target that is face up on the ground perhaps at a 90-degree angle from the sun to minimize any residual glare from the colorchecker’s slightly non-matte surface. Obviously directly away from the sun, the color-checker will have my shadow on it or I will be blocking the light from the sky near the sun.
I use the same sort of process for the tungsten end, choosing a room with neutral walls and put the target relatively flat on the floor facing up, perhaps tipped up somewhat toward the light, but not so much as to have any glare from the lighting, either, in other words, not with the lighting directly behind the camera, but somewhat over to the side.

ICC Profiles in the new Camera Profile Editor

Hi Folks,
I'm wondering if anyone knows why we aren't (yet) able to assign ICC profiles directly in the Camera Raw module, rather than working from the profile editor? Is this essentially a proprietary technology or trademark issue, and thus not something to be implemented into ACR in the future?
By all means, feel free to add any background to this conversation that you wish - I'm admittedly ignorant on the trade issues involved here, and certainly don't wish to add any ill will. Just looking to understand how these (still) emergent technologies are shaking out and interfacing with the ACR workflow.
Thanks

Ah, indeed. Thanks R.
And for those interested, here's a great response, courtesy of the one and only Mr. F:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/1210888#1210888
That said, all other follow-ups welcomed, though my own question is answered.

How to edit template for report generator in stimulus profile editor in Veristand 2011?

How to edit template for report generator in stimulus profile editor in veristand 2011?
We are using Veristand 2011.When we run any sequence in stimulus profle editor,we get test results in form of ATML file.
We want to customise the template for this test result generation as per our requirement.
For example:
Test case No.: Description of test case.
Objectives: Explanation of objectives.
Result: Passed/ Failed.
Graph: If any.
Please suggest how to do this.

You cant really change too much in the report, you can customize TRML.xsl which is created every time in the Test Results\UUT 1 folder and that would give you some flexibility on what is shown. I dont know what a xsl is actually able to do in terms of composing data from multiple files (if at all possible) but it definitely allows you to change the visual format of the existing xml data.
Otherwise I modified the xsl to customize the look of the xml report when opened in a browser to have less clutter and some coloring on the Pass/Fail but, the reports are XML files anyway so it's easy to extract data out of them and you can probably write your own report creation tool to compose the report in whatever format you like.

Questions about DNG Profile Editor recipe code

I have been playing around with DNG Profile Editor. With a text editor I made the following recipe:
I have some questions:
1. Right now I have my control points at 60 saturation. Will using two points for each color (say 70 and 40) make my changes more consistent across darker and lighter shades of the specific color?
2. Does DNG Profile editor respect HueLow and HueHigh, are they just placeholder numbers, or are they ignored if two points are close to each other?
3. What does FeatherAdjust do? I'm guessing it controls the rate of drop off of the corrections. Is the value respected by DNG Profile editor when it creates a profile?
Thanks for your time and attention, -Bruce.

1. For now DNG-only. Here's why:
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles_FAQ#PEOnlyDNG
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles_FAQ#WhyNameDNGPE
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles_FAQ#WhyPESeparate
2. Standalone for now. See above links for why.
3. Use the 'Preview Color Changes' option in the Options menu.
4. You can use 'Apply Raw Adjustments' in the Options menu to see your raw adjustments. This is __not__ recommended for building a general-purpose profile because you are then optimizing a profile with specific image adjustments in mind, rather than building a profile based more on the inherent camera characteristics.
5. True, that is a limitation of this implementation.
6. I am not sure what you mean. The Chart Wizard automatically optimizes the color patches in a test shot based on reference values for many physical charts, which is more practically useful than the numbers printed on the reference card that comes with the chart.
7. Make sure you avoid color casts in the bottom row. The PE is picky about making sure your gray patches are relatively neutral. It is an attempt to help you get a better profile.
8. Use 'Show Affected Colors' from the Options menu.
You may wish to read this page carefully and thoroughly:
documentation
It is the reference online documentation for the DNG Profile Editor and a few of the things you wish to do, such as preview all color changes, apply raw adjustments, and visualize the extent of each color adjustment, are all documented there.

Camera profiles in Aperture via free DNG 1.2 and profile editor

So last week Adobe announced LR2 and along with masses of new features, something that was not part of the marketing piece was the ability to get more accurate colour and this could possibly benefit Aperture users. Today I've just noticed an article on John Nack's blog about the new (free) DNG profile editor.
It allows for a base profile to be entered (just calibrate your camera with Color Eyes or Gretag's new color checker), then played with to suit. But basically, you'd just load your colour profile here, then NOT play with it. The profile is then used in the DNG converter, which can then be read by any RAW converter that supports DNG.
My questions:
1. Aperture supports DNG, but does it support DNG 1.2?
2. Does the fact that the 'Convert to linear image' option has to be turned off impact this opportunity?
3. Even if Aperture does read in the DNG, I assume that since it ignores the camera sensor information for things like auto noise compensation etc, it won't screw with the colour and assign its own colour (like it does with native RAW), but just use the embedded profile?
Does anyone with an in-depth experience with Aperture and DNG have any views on this? I'd love to calibrate my 1DS and 1DSII, then use the DNG converter to assign the profile and have Aperture read the files.
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2008/08/thedng_profileeditor.html

It certainly looks interesting, and addresses a number of problems people (including myself) had with Adobe's existing profiles... namely that the whole yellow/orange/red part of the spectrum was awful.
Also note the whole profiles thing is still currently in beta.
As for Aperture... it doesn't support those profiles embedded in DNGs now. In fact, it doesn't support the "picture styles" info embedded in the RAW files by Nikon or Canon either (neither did Lightroom, and this is Adobe's answer). That said, I rather like Aperture's default conversions, and you could tweak the default RAW conversion subtly and apply the effect to images as part of your process.

About to use DNG Profile editor

I've had my Colorchecker for a few weeks, and I finally have time to set up my profiles for LR 3.4. In reading the DNG Profile editor tutorial page (http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles:Editor), I have a few questions:
1) If I use Tutorial 5, I am guessing I will have to create a profile for each lighting/WB condition, i.e., one for Tungsten, one for Fluorescent, one for sunny, one for overcast, one for flash, etc... Is that correct? Is there an advantage to doing this vs. going for the dual-illuminant approach explained in Tutorial 6?
2) In Tutorial 6, for the dual illuminant profiles, it states that one of the reference shots should be taken at 6500K. I'm not quite sure how to achieve this, since daylight and flash, to semi-constant WB sources I can easily achieve, are around 5000-5600K.
3) Should I (in LR) White-balance the Colorchecker reference shots, then convert to DNG, prior to bringing the DNG file into DNG Profile editor? Or is it preferable to WB as explained in Tutorial 1, step 3?
4) Finally, it's somewhat unclear how I bring the profiles into LR for use during the Import or Develop phases. Tutorial 1, step 9 mentions a "CameraProfiles directory" for ACR and LR, so I'm guessing I need to go digging through the Adobe folders to locate this directory and place/save my profiles there?

eswrite wrote:
1) If I use Tutorial 5, I am guessing I will have to create a profile for each lighting/WB condition, i.e., one for Tungsten, one for Fluorescent, one for sunny, one for overcast, one for flash, etc... Is that correct?
If you want a broad purpose DNG profile then yes, doing a dual illuminate profile is useful. Shoot a target under tungsten and under daylight and make the dual illuminate profile. There's no real reason you need to spawn off a bunch of other profiles for only slightly different light. The dual illuminate will handle cloudy or overcast just fine. If you also shoot with special lighting sources like fluorescent (which doesn't have a complete spectrum) or other non-standard lighting sources then do a profile for those special conditions. If you are creating a profile specifically for studio flash, you can get by doing only a single illuminate profile for the strobes...but in that case, the profile won't be as accurate if you also try to use it under tungsten–which would be the reason to do a dual illuminate profile.
As far as the D65 color temp, the closer you can get to it the better, but D55 should work fine. The key is to make sure it's evenly lit. The big difference between D65/D50/D55 is the relative amount of the blue light components-all three will be fairly close. Tungsten however has vastly less blue which can impact the sensor's spectral response–which is why the dual illuminate is suggested.
Once you do the CC shot, don't bother with tone/color corrections in ACR before converting to DNG. They won't have a material impact on the profile creation. The CC shot MUST be evenly lit and of an optimal exposure...
As far as where the profile goes, it depends on the system. Once you've created the profile, PE should default to the correct location, otherwise state your system and we can tell you where to put them.

Camera Calibration in ACR & DNG Profile Editor

I am having the hardest time figuring out how to use the camera profiles generated with DNG Profile Editor in Camera Raw.
I am using Photoshop CS4 in Windows 7. I have generated the .dcp file with DNG Profile Editor and saved it in the folder: Program Files/Adobe/Photoshop CS4/Presets/Camera Profiles.
This is about as far as I've gotten. I have not been able use this profile in ACR under the Camera Calibration Tab. I have been lead to believe that is would show up automatically. I have not found any video tutorials related to ACR and installing Camera Profiles. They all seem to relate to Lightroom.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

If you would like to look or copy profiles manually (for example you have received a profile made by someone else; for Windows7 you should be able to see where the Profiles are stored by searching for *.dcp (meaning any file with the extension .dcp)
That will show you where the Adobe supplied profiles are located. You can copy your custom profiles to the sub-folder of your camera type in the Camera folder.The other folder you see is where the Adobe Standard profiles live.
If you cannot see the programdata folder (and that is the case by default) you can make all hidden files visible:
(this from Windows Help, just search for show hidden files)
Computer>Organize>Folder and search options>View. In Advanced settings check the radio button Show hidden files, folders, and drives and then OK
Now you should see the programdata folder visible under your system (C:) folder
I hope that helps.

Adobe DNG profile editor bug w/ GH2 files where aspect ratio is not 4:3

Hi,
posting here as Adobe DNG subforum is essentially dead
Panasonic GH2, select aspect ratio 3:2, get .RW2 raw file, convert it to .DNG using Adobe DNG converter (6.4.0.121 beta), try to open w/ Adobe DNG profile editor (1.0.0.39 beta 2) -> error message "DNG Profile Editor could not open the selected image. Note that the selected image must be a valid DNG color image".
XRite software has no issues to process the same .DNG file (converted from the original .RW2 w/ 3:2 aspect ratio).

Eric - just make it easier for you to reproduce the bug - here is the original .RW2 file (certainly ignore the quality of colorchecker shot in terms of how the target is lit, etc - it was not to make a profile actually - it was to illustrate the bug in question) = http://www.box.net/shared/f419prmuo2 ... and I am uploading the converted .DNG file too just in case = http://www.box.net/shared/gy5o9zzi57

**-Camera Profiles and DNG Profile Editor FAQ-**

A page containing answers to Frequently Asked Questions about Camera Profiles and the DNG Profile Editor can be found
here

New FAQ entries:
What changed between beta 1 and beta 2?
Is it safe to delete beta 1 profiles? What will happen if I do?
I now have the beta 2 profiles and want to delete the older beta 1 profiles. How do I do this?
Please read carefully.

Profile editor out of Beta?

Similar Messages

Maybe you are looking for