Profile Editor Tool Observations.

After trying the PE tool to get better skin tones from PEF images for the last week, my initial impression that the tool makes adjustments much easier have been dashed. I now believe that great care is needed just as it was before.
The two problems I have found are that it is very easy to cause posterization and also dark or light halos in colour gradient areas.
The posterization seems to occur when you have two colour points that are close to each other on the colour wheel each of which have hue and/or saturation adjustments made.
The halos seem to be caused when the lightness of a colour point is adjusted and become visible when changes of only 2 or 3 units are made. These halos show up most in out of focus areas of an image.
Both of these affects have made me go back to using the ACR 4.4 profile with only very minor tweaks made with PE. I am now thinking that it is probably best to use as few as possible adjustment points that are well spaced around the colour wheel and not to use the lightness adjustment at all.
Has anyone else found similar problems or can offer advice.

> Has anyone else found similar problems or can offer advice.
Yes. Not me, but you may find interesting this post on ACR forums.
http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.3bb6a869.59b60ce4/5?14@@
Essentially, Eric Chan, the author of the new profiles and profile system, confirms your observations regarding posterisation and multiple control points.

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