Profiles and views

My application has different profiles which are assigned differents views.
E.g. When an IT manager logs in a screen showing a project team, the activities, the cost for each activity, etc shows up. But when a task responsable logs in, only all details about his task but the cost is shown.
Which pattern or desing can I implement to do this profiles->views architecture.
Thanxs.

MVC would do the trick ;-)

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How to use Device Profiles and Viewing Conditions Profile in Photoshop Elements 11?

In trying to get to grips with the Colour management aspects of PSE11, I have encountered the following problems:
Having selected "Display" a sequence of clicks (Change display settings -> Advanced settings -> Colour Management -> Colour Management tab -> Colour Management)
gives a screen which includes the headings:
Device Profile and Viewing Conditions Profile.
1. Device Profile. Besides sRGB and ARGB, the profile list includes the profiles for all of the Epson papers. (I have an Epson Stylus Photo PX810FW).
I changed the Profile to an Epson Grayscale, this was accepted within the menu, but there are no changes from normal when I viewed the image on the Windows screen or within
PSE11. ("normal" is sRGB or ARGB).
I thought it worth a try to test that, if I wanted the display image to closely represent what I would get on a particular Epson paper, this may be a way to do it.(I suspected this approach because I have never
seen it in the literature!).
So what is the purpose of all of the paper Profiles appearing in the Display listing?
2. The Viewing Conditions Profile has also several options. I have tried to find the criteria for choosing one rather than the other, but failed to find any information. Can anyone help? I seek general guidance
rather than the details of the Profiles.
As a seperate question:
Selecting Image on the PSE11 menu across the top of the displayed image, and then Convert Colour Profile, I tried this process on an image, converting tiff to sRGB. When saved there was an extra asterisk in the saved title but in this case,
the file was still labelled tiff and there was no change in the number of Mbs. If a conversion has taken place, how is one to know? Does saving a tiff file as jpeg change its colour profile? When is it useful to use this feature?
Many thanks to all responders!

Addressing your second question, you are confusing two different things.
tiff is an image file format, as is jpeg, as is psd, as is png, as are dozens (if not hundreds, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_file_formats) of other formats.
A colour profile represents the colour characteristics of devices so that, for example, displays know how to display the colours, printers know how to print them.
Image files MAY, but do not have to, contain colour profiles.
For details:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/creativesuite/cs/using/WS52323996-D045-437d-BD45-04955E987DFB. html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_management#Color_profiles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_profile
Cheers,
Neale
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How to set custom profiles in iphone 5 and viewing sent messsges and dialed calls seperately

i found that i cannot set any other profiles other than silent and general is there any app to create custom profiles and also i can't view the dialed calls seperately only missed calls can be viewind seperately is there any app to overcome that problem?and also i want to view sent messages seperately in my messages option.

These are not a features of the iPhone and iOS. No 3rd party app can provide these functions due to Apple restrictions.

Firefox V33.0 can't find user profile and cant view window content

Hello
I have used Firefox since the old days, wayyy back. Never an issue, always worked, always performed.
My Firefox (v32 I believe), automatically downloaded and applied the v33 browser and immediately, everything went wrong...
First, the browser loaded but the screen was either sheet black or sheet white, then reloading (after closing the window) was informed (only via the window title as all else was block black) that Firefox couldn't see a user profile.
I loaded FF with safe mode and disabled everything (list of addons at the bottom of this post), and the browser loads now and I can see content, but then after only a minute in "safe mode" firefox persistently returned with either a fatal crash or a sudden inability to find the user profile (causing exit).
Reading up about possible workarounds, I eventually managed to export the Profile data (to desktop), to clear the profile data and replace data with desktop copy. Clearing the data took several attempts due to firefox display only showing black or white as stated above, but firefox then couldn't "import" profile as I can't see whats going on in the window.
Eventually manually installed profile data (from desktop automatic copy) to firefox but FF still persisted in crashing to desktop and not displaying correctly if not in Safe mode. I eventually uninstalled firefox and reinstalled from scratch. The reinstall persisted with all the above mentioned issues, I did manually reinstate the FF user profile and crashing to desktop is now rare but does still happen, now it usually happens when Firefox is not the current active window.
Firefox still does not display correctly unless in the "Safe Mode".
Any clues or help or suggestion about why this would happen? Any way I can revert to version 32?
My Addons :
No Services.
Appearance, default only
PLUGINS:
VLC plugin 2.1.3.0
Silverlight plugin 5.1.3
shockwave flash 15.0.0
Quicktime plugin 7.7.5
Java platform SE7 U67 10.
Google Update (disabled)
Adobe Acrobat 11.0.9
EXTENSIONS:
British Dictionary (not compatible with v33!!, disabled)
Colorzilla 2.8.1
cssUpdater 0.5.2 (disabled)
Dust-Me Selector [for CSS] 4.1
Firebug 2.0.3 (and associated FireDiff, FirePHP, EventBug)
enabling / disabling all/any of these does not (so far) change the graphical fault loading Firefox outside of Safe Mode.
Any ideas?
cheers
P.S>As additional info: I have tried the "reset firefox" but this caused numerous little bugs with saving the profile user data. Also reseting did not fix any of the issues.
Everything else on my computer works fine. No virus, no malware (Eset / MWBytes) all other programs fine, and FF was fine until V33!!

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The Ultimate Guide to Resolving Profile and Device Manager Issues

The following article also applies to issues after re-setting the severs' hostname. It also applies to situations where re-setting the Code Signing Certifictateas described by Apple has not resolved the issue.
Hello,
I have been plagued with Profile Manager and Device Manager issues since day one.
I would like to share my experience and to suggest a way how to resolve issues such as device cannot be enrolled or Code Signing Certificate not accepted.
I shall try to be as brief as possible, just giving an overview of the steps that resolved my issues. The individual steps have been described elsewhere in this forum. For users who have purchased commercial SSL certs the following may not apply.
In my view many of these issues are caused by missing or faulty certificates. So let us first touch on the very complex matter of certificates.
Certificates come in many flavours such as CA (Certificate Authority), Code Signing Certificate, S/MIME and Server Identification.
(Mountain?) Lion Server creates a so-called Intermediate CA certificate (IntermediateCA_hostname_1") and Server Identification Certificate ("hostname") when it installs first. This is critical for the operation of many server functionalities, including Open Direcory. These certs together with the private/public keys can be found in your Keychain. Profile and Device Manager may need a Code Signing Certificate.
The most straightforward way to resolve the Profile Manaher issues is in my view to reset the server created certicates.
The bad news is that this procedure involves quite a few steps and at least 2 hours of your precious time because it means creating a fresh Direcory Master.
I hope that I have not forgotten to mention an important step. Readers' comments and addenda are welcome.
I shall outline a sensible strategy:
1. Clone your dysfunctional server to an external harddrive (SuperDuper does a reliable job)
2. Start the server fom the clone and shut down ALL services.
3. It may be sensible to set up a root user access.
4. Back-up all user data such as addess book, calendar and other data that you *may* need to set up your server.
5. Open Workgroup Manager and export all user and workgroup accounts to the drive that you using to re-build your server (it may cause problems if you back-up to an external drive).
6. Just in case you may also want to back-up the Profile Manager database and erase user profiles:
In Terminal (this applies to Lion Server - paths may be diferent in Mountain Lion !)
Backup: sudo pg_dump -U _postgres -c device_management > $HOME/device_management.sql
Erase database:
sudo /usr/share/devicemgr/backend/wipeDB.sh
7. Note your Directory (diradmin) password for later if you want to re-use it.
8. Open Open Server Admin and demote OD Master to Standalone Directory.
9. In Terminal delete the old Certificate Authority
sudo rm -R /var/root/Library/Application\ Support/Certificate\ Authority/
This step is crucial because else re-building you OD Master will fail.
9. Go back to Server Admin and promote the Standalone Directory to OD Master. You may want to use the same hostname.
10. When the OD Master is ready click on Overview and check that the LDAP and Keberos Realm reflect your server's hostname.
11. Go back to Workgroup Manager and re-import users and groups.
NOTE: passwords are not being exported. I do not know how to salvage user passwords. (Maybe passwords can be recovered by re-mporting an OD archive - comments welcome! ).
12. Go to Server App and reset passwords and (not to forget) user homefolder locations, in particular if you want to login from a network account!
If the home directory has not been defined you cannot login from a network account.
13. You may now want to restore Profile Manager user profiles in Terminal. Issue the following commands:
sudo serveradmin stop devicemgr
sudo serveradmin start postgres
sudo psql -U _postgres -d device_management -f $HOME/device_management.sql
sudo serveradmin start devicemgr
14. You can now switch back on your services, including Profile Manager.
In Profile Manager you may have to configure Device Management. This creates a correct Code Signng Certicate.
15. Check the certificate settings in Server App -> Hadware -> Settings-> SSL Certificates.
16. Check that Apple Push Notifications are set.(you easily check if they are working later)
17. You may want to re-boot OS Server from the clone now.
18. After re-boot open Server App and check that your server is running well.
19. Delete all profiles in System Preferences -> Profiles.
19. Login to Profile Manager. You should have all users and profiles back. In my experience devices have to be re-enrolled before profiles can be pushed and/or devices be enrolled. You may just as well delete the displayed devices now.
20. Grab one of your (portable) Macs that you want to enrol and go to (yourhostname)/mydevices and install the server's trust profile. The profile's name should read "Trust Profile for...) and underneath in green font "Verified".
21. Re-enrol that device. At this stage keep your finger's crossed and take a deep breath.
22. If the device has been successfully enrolled you may at last want to test if pushing profiles really works. Login to Profile Manager as admin, select the newly enrolled device. Check that Automatic Push is enabled (-> Profile -> General). Create a harmless management profile such as defining the dock's position on the target machine. (Do not forget to click SAVE at the end - this is easily missed here). If all is well Profile Manager will display an active task (sending) and the dock's position on the target will have changed in a few seconds if you are on a LAN (Note: If sending seems to take forever: check on the server machine and/or on your router that the proper ports are open and that incoming data is not intercepted by Little Snitch or similar software).
Note: if you intend to enrol an Apple iPhone you may first need to install the proper Apple Configuration software.
Now enjoy Profile and Device Manager !
Regards,
Twistan

HI
1. In Action profiles, logon to system and recheck correcion are available in action definition as well in condition configuration and the schedule condition is also maintained. but the display is not coming(i.e in the worklist this action is not getting displayed).
You can check the schedule condition for the action and match the status values...or try recreating the action with schedule condition again....for customer specific ....copy the standard aciton with ur zname and make a schedule condition and check the same.
2, In suppport team of incident when i give individual processor it throwing a warning that u r not the processor. but when i give org unit it is working perfectly. Could anyone guide on this.
You need to have the empolyee role for BP ..goto BP and got here dropdown for ur bp and choose role Employee and then enter ur userid
also make sure that u have the message processing role
Hope it clarifies ur doubt and resolve ur prob
Regards
Prakhar

Partner Profile and its configuration.

Hi all,
I am creating an SD IDoc using EDI and send it between two servers.
I need to know what is a partner profile and why should we create it.
what are the steps to be followed in maintaining a partner profile and its configuration.
Any pointers will be highly apppreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Jose
Edited by: Jose Anthony Reddy on Dec 17, 2007 11:23 PM

Hi Jose,
Below is a material you can go through .
Creating an Outbound Partner Profile
Here you must enter the data manually. Alternatively, you can also transfer the default values from Customizing.
If you are not yet on the change screen of your desired partner, choose SAP Menu ® Tools ® IDoc Interface/ALE ® Administration ® Runtime Settings ® Partner Agreement (WE20).
1. Position the mouse on your partner in the required partner type node. Choose in the Outbound Parameter table.
Key Fields
2. You have already determined partner number and partner type in general partner processing. The partner function from the master data defines the addressee, that is, it is used for further classification purposes. If you have selected outbound processing under Message Control (MC), the function must be identical to the corresponding Message Control field. Otherwise, it is optional.
Partner A (customer 1110) wants to order a material from partner B (vendor 1014). Partner B is of the partner type LI (vendor) and must choose the Message Control value VD (vendor) as the partner function because orders must always be processed using Message Control.
3. Specify the business process with the logical message, within which the IDoc type is used. The logical message is described by three parameters: The message type is based on EDIFACT message types: For example, a purchase order is of type ORDERS. You can further divide the message type with the optional fields message code and message function.
4. Configure the test indicator if you want to send the message as a test.
Message, partner and test indicator are the seven key fields of the outbound partner profiles (the client comes in addition to these). Also see the graphic at the end of this section.
Other Fields
5. In the Outbound options tab page, you can determine whether IDocs are forwarded immediately to the receiving system. You should ensure that your entries are compatible with the Message Control priorities, if you have chosen outbound processing under Message Control. A list of recommended combinations is provided in the section Outbound Processing Under MC: Procedure.
6. You have already defined the Recipient port in Port definition.
7. If a port of type TRFC is used, the Queue Processing field is visible. You can use the indicator to specify whether IDocs are to be sent with qRFC. This sending technique is only possible for recipient SAP systems as of SAP Web AS 6.20.
You should only set this flag if it is really necessary that the IDocs sent are received in the receiving system in the same sequence as they were sent by the sender system. Queuing can cause posting delays in the receiving system, because an IDoc in the queue cannot be posted. In this case, the following IDocs in the queue cannot be posted until the error is resolved.
8. If you have set the Queue Processing indicator, the Rule Name field, which you must then also maintain, appears as well. The rule name defines the rules for queue names. You can specify these rules in the transaction qRFC IDoc Queue Name Rules (WE85).
9. Specify the IDoc type as the Basic type with or without extension. If you want to use a view of your IDoc type (for example, to improve the performance), specify this here.
The figure below shows the m-to-n relationship between logical messages (business meaning) and IDoc types (technical format). Message 1, for example, is always assigned to one IDoc type, while message 3 is assigned to two IDoc types. IDoc type 2, in turn, is also assigned to 2 logical messages.
10. The segment release specifies the release from which the segment definitions (not the IDoc type definition) originates. We recommend that you leave this field blank so that the most recent segment definition is used.
11. You can propose an EDI standard, version and EDI message type for the receiving system in the tab page EDI Standard. Most subsystems, however, should be able to determine these EDI settings themselves (from the logical message).
12. You can define permitted agents for cases in which exceptions occur. This entry overrides the entry in the general partner profiles. Depending on the message, therefore, the exception can be handled by different agents of the same partner.
13. You can specify whether syntax errors are to be ignored or are to lead to a processing error (Cancel Processing flag under syntax check in the tab page outbound options). For more information about exception handling and permitted agents, refer to the following section: Exception Handling
14. If your hardware supports it, create partner and message specific telephony data for outbound IDocs. For more information, see General Partner Profile.
Graphic: Outbound partner profile fields (general)
Key fields are shown in gray. The values for partner, message and test indicator (and client) therefore provide a unique ID for the IDoc type in outbound processing.
Regards,
Praveen

Display profiles and soft proofing Windows RGB / Monitor RGB

This might have asked before, but I did not find any definite answer for this. Sorry this gets a bit long.
Short question:
What's the difference between softproofing with Windows RGB and Monitor RGB targets? I see differences in my image between these targets.
Long question(s):
Here's some reasoning.. let me know when I go wrong.
I have hardware calibrated my display Spyder 3 elite to sRGB standard. I have understood that the generated display profile contains a LUT table that affects gamma values for each RGB component, so that affects both gamma and color temperature. That table is loaded into video card when Windows starts. In addition to the LUT table, the display profile contains what? Probably information on what color space the display has been calibrated to. Does that matches directly with the LUT table information, but may deviate from sRGB in the case my monitor cannot reproduce sRGB 100%?
Now if I have image that that is in sRGB, but the embedded sRGB profile has been stripped away, should any non color management aware image viewer show the colors properly, if it is assumed that 1) my monitor can handle full sRGB space and 2) my monitor was succesfully calibrated to sRGB and the LUT table has been loaded into video card?
Or does it still require a color management aware program to show the image, which implies that the LUT table information alone is not enough and the display profile contains some extra information that is needed to show the image correctly? I would think this is true, as I needed to turn on color management in Canon Zoom Browser to see images in it the same way as in Photoshop.
Now to the original question, what's the difference in Photoshop when soft proofing with Windows RGB and Monitor RGB targets
I read from www.gballard.net that
Photoshop can effectively "SoftProof" our web browser color:
Photoshop: View> Proof SetUp> Windows RGB
Photoshop's Soft Proof screen preview here simulates how unmanaged applications, web browsers, will display the file on 2.2 gamma monitors, based on the sRGB profile. If the file is based on sRGB and our monitor gamma is 2.2 and D/65 6500 degrees Kelvin, we should see very little shift here, which is the goal.
Photoshop: View> Proof SetUp> Monitor RGB
THIS IS WHERE the color-brightness-saturation problem will repeat consistantly.
Soft Proofing Monitor RGB here strips-ignores the embedded ICC profile and Assigns-Assumes-Applies the Monitor profile or color space.
The color and density changes seen here show the difference between the monitor profile and the source profile sRGB.
I'm not sure how to read that. Assume here that my monitor has been calibrated to sRGB and the PS working space sRGB. Do in both cases photoshop strip away color profile from the image at first? What happens after that? Does in Windows RGB case Photoshop pass the color values as they are to display? What does it do in "Monitor RGB" case then? Does it assign my monitor profile to the image? If it does, does there also happen conversion from one color space to another? In either one conversion there must happen as the soft proofing results are different. Does either one cause "double profiling" to the image as the monitor is already calibrated?
Thanks

Windows defaults to sRGB if you don't calibrate your monitor so untagged sRGB files should display (more or less) correctly in applications that don't know about color management on systems with uncalibrated monitors.
When proofing against Windows RGB you're proofing against sRGB, it will show you how applications that don't know about color management on an uncalibrated monitor will show the image. This is what you proof against if you want to see how the image will display in web browsers.
When you proof against Monitor RGB, Photoshop will assign your monitor's icc profile to the image which tends to be utterly useless most of the time.

Using Color profiles and exporting for web browsers

I've been trying to figure out the answer to this question. As I'm sure you're aware Safari supports color profiles while other web browsers like Firefox do not. I would like to setup Aperture so that it displays and exports images for the widest audience possible. Unfortunately it embeds a color profile and my images on the web only display correctly in Safari. I've tried changing the proofing profiles and export settings to no avail. I didn't seem to have this problem in iPhoto, a picture there looked the same on screen as it did in Safari and Firefox but I can't achieve the same with Aperture...

Thanks for that information, unfortunately I'm not really any closer to solving the issue since I've already tried that. 1) by default, doesn't Aperture automatically embed the sRGB color profile? 2) if I set view>proofing mode to sRGB shouldn't what I see on screen match what a "dumb" application such as Firefox does when it ignores the embedded profile and display sRGB? I've tried going into the preferences>export settings and changed everything to sRGB IEC61966-2.1 but I see no difference in the final image between that and the default setting.
I guess my question is more specific to Aperture since I don't have this problem with other applications. For example, in photoshop if I do Export for Web it strips out any embedded profile and when I open that image in Firefox and Safari side-by-side they are exactly the same. But not so when I export an image from Aperture, when opened in Firefox it is desaturated and flat and of course in Safari it honors the embedded profile and looks fine.

CCP colour profiles and different lenses

Hi,
I just got a Nikon D7000 and I've been playing around with my ColourChecker Passport to set up some standard colour profiles for use in ACR as a general starting point for processing. I've been pondering if it's worth my while to create different profiles for each lens I have, something I've not previously done when profiling my old D60, where I just created a series of profiles (including some dual-illuminants) by using one lens and capturing the target under a variety of different lighting conditions (e.g. tungsten, flash, sunshine, etc).
Anyway, I just tried creating a profile for my 105mm 2.8 lens under tungsten lighting, having previously (yesterday) created one under the same lighting with my 50mm 1.4 lens and I've been comparing them in ACR using the colour dropper. I’ve opened up the images used to create the profiles, applied the profile generated using the ColourChecker software for the corresponding lens, and then set the white balance using the ‘off-white’ colour patch with the eye dropper WB tool. I then used the colour dropper on the same colour patches in each image. I’ve noticed that the RGB colour values aren’t matching quite as well as I’d expected (note that I thought it potentially unrealistic to get a perfect match): blues and greens seem to be roughly the same, so for example with patch #3 (third from left on the top row), one is at 69,72,115 and one at 70,77,115, but reds and oranges seem to be a bit further out of sync, e.g. with patch #15, one is at 99,45,29 and one at 109,51,34; with patch #16 one is at 166,167,29 and one at 175,179,33. This surprises me a little, as I thought the idea of CC was to calibrate the profiles so that colours were essentially the same across different lenses – and different cameras if applicable. I have to say though that, colour values aside, when eyeballing the two images on my monitor (profiled) they do look very similar, which I guess is the main thing!
I wonder if perhaps I’m missing something here? I’m quite prepared to be told that I’ve got this all wrong!
Also, I wonder if others on the forum using CCP have gone to the trouble of creating lens-specific profiles, or if they’ve just created profiles for their camera body using one lens? This is the approach I took with my D60, but having done more reading on CCP I know that some folk do advise to create separate profiles for each lens they use (and I am of course aware that the CCP user manual also states to do this). Do you even create a profile for each and every shoot (when possible)?
I’d be very interested to hear your opinions on this as I’ve not been using CCP for all that long and am always eager to learn more.
M

First of all, a color profile is for correcting color, not luminance, so compare the HSL or Lab coordinates not the RGB values so you can just ignore the L coordinate. From your given RGB numbers, you can already tell that one of the images is brighter than the other so it is just confusing looking at the RGB values and guessing what you would expect the three values to be in the other image. For comparing two images, I would concentrate on the Hue number in HSL coordinates, since Saturation can change with contrast, and Luminance can change with Exposure and Contrast.
Also, as part of your eyedroppering comparison, another thing to do would be adjust the "Exposure" of the darker image until the L number (in HSL or Lab) is the same as the L in the brighter image and then see what the other two numbers are--maybe the other two numbers won't change, and then you can try putting one of the HSL values in the "Old" patch of the color-picker and the other in the "New" patch and see how much different they look. You'll have to do this comparison in Photoshop not ACR so use ProPhotoRGB when you export to keep the colors as close to the same as you can.
The two questions you seem to have, are: does using a lens-specific profile make enough difference to real world situations to bother with, and where are the variations I'm seeing when the profiles are applied to their source images coming from since I would think they would be the same.
For testing whether the profiles computed for the two lenses make a noticeable difference even with your two profiles that don't appear to correct the same, apply the two profiles to the SAME CC image (one of the two you created your profiles with), save an sRGB JPG of each, and see if you can tell the difference, either side-by-side, or even better, when you flip back and forth in some sort of photo viewer--like with Windows Picture Viewer when those are the only two images in the folder. By apply the two profiles to the same image you have mitigated any luminance and white-balance differences in the source image and are merely looking for differences in the effect of the two profiles.
If you can't tell much difference between the same image using each of the two profiles then it's just an academic exercise. I like academic exercises, but am also a perfectionist and lazy so I would do the experimenting until I found out I'd perfected things enough that I can't tell any difference then I can stop. In other words, do I need to profile for various lenses or not, or am I just doing it because I like to control everything as much as possible and it really doesn't make any difference.
Before answering the other question, about where any profile variations might be coming from, understand that the combination of white-balance and color-profile is attempting to convert the colors of an object photographed in the lighting scenario the profile was created for into the colors of the object photographed in a standard lighting scenario. In my mind the works out to be "make the colors of the object look like it was photographed in sunlight". The issue that requires making a profile and not just white-balancing, is that any part of the object that was colored the same as the light color will be neutral when the white-balance is done, and more generally the closer the color of the object is to the color of the light, the more neutral it will become when WB is done. For example, if you have a red ball and a gray ball and photograph them in red light, they will both look gray when white-balanced. A real-world example of this would be flesh-tones in incandescent light, when white-balanced will have even less color and be more neutral or pale or even bluish, than the skin photographed in sunlight, so after white-balancing, the job of an incandescent profile is to boost the reddish colors and diminish the bluish colors so the skin looks like it would in sunlight. This might be an argument for NOT WBing skin in incandescent lighting. In severely-colored lighting, especially nearly monochromatic lighting such as sodium vapor lighting, correcting the colors to be as if in sunlight will be impossible, but to the extent the lighting isn't monochromatic, the colors can be made to look more normal, if not perfectly normal..
To understand whether the differences you're seeing in the profiles are due to the lenses being different color or due to variations in the profiling process, itself, think about where the variations could come from and how you might test for each:
Was the source lighting exactly the same color between the two shots with different lenses (that were taken a day apart)? Test by eyedroppering the WB of same neutral-color patch in each photo and see if there is any difference in the Temp/Tint numbers. You cannot test the source-lighting color unless you have shot with the SAME lens for both days, so if you don't have shots with the same lens, seeing that the WB is not much different between the two shots can give you some comfort that the difference in the profile was not a difference in the source lighting. The source lighting might have changed if there was some daylight mixing in on one day and not the next, or if the A/C was running on one day and not the other and the voltage was slightly different and the redness of the light was different. One other thing that can wreak havoc in repeatability of both color and exposure is if any of the lighting is fluorescent CFL or tubes, because that sort of gas lighting changes intensity as the voltage varies and reverses 60-times per second and this variation is especially noticeable if the shutter is fast. So while your lighting may have been incandescent any changing daylight or flickering fluorescent lighting mixed in might have changed the source-lighting color enough to make a variation in the profile more than the color of the lenses might have.
This first question dealt with the photos taken with each of the two lenses. The remaining questions are about testing with just one lens.
Is the profiling process repeatable? Test by creating two different profiles from the SAME CC photo and be a little sloppy about when marking the corner patches, and see if you get different numbers applying those two profiles. An idea where things might not be repeatable, is that there are slightly variations in the color of the color patches (you should be able to move the eyedropper across the color patch and see if the RGB numbers change) due to slight color noise and depending on where you put the "corner" markers on the CC image, you'll get slightly different results.
Does the exposure make any difference? You can determine this by taking a photograph using the SAME lens in the SAME lighting (a few seconds apart), and just varying the exposure by 1/2 or 2/3 of a stop, and then computing a profile for each exposure and apply those two profiles to one of the exposures and see if the non-L coordinates of HSL or Lab eyedroppered.
If you check all these variations you'll have an idea of how much each affects the profile and then can judge if the magnitude of the differences you're seeing are related to variations with creating the profile, or actually related to differences in the lenses and thus a new profile for each lens might be warranted, assuming you can tell the difference, still. I mean even if you can tell the difference between the profiles created with different lenses, are the differences from the lens significantly more than the differences due to exposure or lighting color or corner-patch placement?
I haven't tried computing a profile for each lens; however, I have created a dual-illuminant profile (2700K and 6500K) and then computed new color-matrix slider values (the ones under where you set the profile) for various lighting conditions using Tindemans' script and despite the slider values being not close to zero, I can hardly tell any difference on the few images I've looked at. Once exception to not having the color-matrix sliders make much difference is when using the dual-illuminant profile with fluorescent lighting, which has a significant Tint value compared to either of the standard illuminants, but in the case of fluorescent lighting, I'd rather compute a whole new profile, than use a slider-corrected dual-illuminant profile.
Besides eyedroppering Lab or HSL coordinates in Photoshop, another way to check for color variations is to create a color-error plot in the Color Check module of Imatest and see how far the squares and circles are off from each other for each color-patch. An example of such a color-error plot is linked below, where it shows how far off the colors of a color-checker are in incandescent lighting after computing a color-profile in incandescent lighting. You'd expect them to be completely correct, but they aren't, and is a lesson in color profiles only being to go part way in making the colors look as if they were photographed in sunlight:
http://www.pbase.com/ssprengel/image/101322979
If you click on the above image, you will return to the thumbnails for color-error the gallery, and in the gallery description you can see links to both Imatest and Tindemans' script if you care to pursue things more in depth. Imatest is not free but does have a free 30-day trial, which should be enough time to get some useful information out of it.

Colour profiles and my sanity!

I hope there's someone here who can help this Photoshop newbie!
I am a keen but very amateur photographer, and I'm experiencing a frustrating problem in Photoshop and though I've read a few articles on Colour Profiles, I must be missing something obvious.
I've set my Photoshop (CS6) colour settings (edit/color settings) to ProPhotoRGB. I import my images from my camera and edit them so they look exactly the way I want. The problem is, after I save the final images and view them in other image viewing software, such as FastStone InfanView, ACDsee etc. the colours look a little washed out. I must be missing something obviously but I just don't know what. I know for web uploading, it's usual practice to set your color profile to sRGB, and that seems to work fine for the web, but my images are being saved primarily for viewing offline and for possible printing.
Can someone explain to me in layman's terms what it is I'm doing wrong here?
Thanks.
Simon.

Good day!
Could you please post screenshots to illustrate the issue?
And set the Status Bar in Photoshop to display the profile.
Do you "Embed Color Profile" when you save the images?
Regards,
Pfaffenbichler

Need help understanding profiles and color management

I made the big leap from inexpensive inkjets to:
1 Epson 3800 Standard
2 Spyder3Studio
I have a Mac Pro Quad, Aperture, PS3, etc.
I have a steep learning curve ahead, here's what I've done:
1 Read a lot of books, watched tutorials, etc.
2 Calibrated the monitor
3 Calibrated the printer several times and created .icc profiles
What I've found:
1 The sample print produced by Spyder3Print, using the profile I created with color management turned off in the print dialog, looks very good.
2 When I get into Aperture, and apply the .icc profile I created in the proofing profile with onscreen proofing, the onscreen image does not change appreciably compared with the no proof setting. It gets slightly darker
3 When I select File>Print image, select the profile I created, turn off color management and look a the resulting preview image it looks much lighter and washed out than the onscreen image with onscreen proofing turned on.
4 When I print the image, it looks the same as was shown in the print preview...light and washed out, which is much different than what is shown in edit mode.
5 When I open PS3 with onscreen soft-proofing, the onscreen image is light and washed out...just like displayed in PS3 preview. If I re-edit the image to look OK onscreen, and print with the profile and color management turned off, the printed image looks OK.
So, why am I confused?
1 In the back of my simplistic and naive mind, I anticipated that in creating a custom printer profile I would only need to edit a photo once, so it looks good on the calibrated screen, and then a custom printer profile will handle the work to print a good looking photo. Different profiles do different translations for different printers/papers. However, judging by the PS work, it appears I need to re-edit a photo for each printer/paper I encounter...just doesn't seem right.
2 In Aperture, I'm confused by the onscreen proofing does not present the same image as what I see in the print preview. I'm selecting the same .icc profile in both locations.
I tried visiting with Spyder support, but am not able to explain myself well enough to help them understand what I'm doing wrong.
Any help is greatly appreciated.

Calibrated the printer several times and created .icc profiles
You have understand that maintaining the colour is done by morphing the colourants, and you have understood that matching the digital graphic display (which is emissive) to the print from the digital graphic printer (which is reflective) presupposes a studio lighting situation that simulates the conditions presupposed in the mathematical illuminant model for media independent matching. Basically, for a display-to-print match you need to calibrate and characterise the display to something like 5000-55000 kelvin. There are all sorts of arguments surrounding this, and you will find your way through them in time, but you now have the gist of the thing.
So far so good, but what of the problem posed by the digital graphic printer? If you are a professional photographer, you are dependent on your printer for contract proofing. Your prints you can pass to clients and to printers, but your display you cannot. So this is critical.
The ICC Specification was published at DRUPA Druck und Papier in Düsseldorf in May 1995 and ColorSync 2 Golden Master is on the WWDC CD for May 1995. Between 1995 and 2000 die reine Lehre said to render your colour patch chart in the raw condition of the colour device.
The problem with this is that in a separation the reflectance of the paper (which is how you get to see the colours of the colourants laid down on top of the paper) and the amount of colourant (solid and combinations of tints) gives you the gamut.
By this argument, you would want to render the colour patch chart with the most colourant, but what if the most colourant produces artifacts? A safer solution is to have primary ink limiting as part of the calibration process prior to rendering of the colour patch chart.
You can see the progression e.g. in the BEST RIP which since 2002 has been owned by EFI Electronics for Imaging. BEST started by allowing access to the raw colour device, with pooling problems and whatnot, but then introduced a primary ink limiting and linearisation.
The next thing you need to know is what colour test chart to send to the colour device, depending on whether the colour device is considered an RGB device or a CMYK device. By convention, if the device is not driven by a PostScript RIP it is considered an RGB device.
The colour patch chart is not tagged, meaning that it is deviceColor and neither CIEBased colour or ICCBased colour. You need to keep your colour patch chart deviceColor or you will have a colour characterisation of a colour managed conversion. Which is not what you want.
If the operating system is colour managed through and through, how do you render a colour test chart without automatically assigning a source ICC profile for the colourant model (Generic RGB Profile for three component, Generic CMYK Profile for four component)?
The convention is that no colour conversion occurs if the source ICC device profile and the destination ICC device profile are identical. So if you are targetting your inkjet in RGB mode, you open an RGB colourant patch chart, set the source ICC profile for the working space to the same as the destination ICC profile for the device, and render as deviceColor.
You then leave the rendered colourant test chart to dry for one hour. If you measure a colourant test chart every ten minutes through the first hour, you may find that the soluble inkjet inks in drying change colour. If you wait, you avoid this cause of error in your characterisation.
As you will mainly want to work with loose photographs, and not with photographs placed in pages, when you produce a contract proof using Absolute Colorimetric rendering from the ICC profile for the printing condition to the ICC profile for your studio printer, here's a tip.
Your eyes, the eyes of your client, and the eyes of the prepress production manager will see the white white of the surrounding unprinted margins of the paper, and will judge the printed area of the paper relative to that.
If, therefore, your untrimmed contract proof and the contract proof from Adobe InDesign or QuarkPress, or a EFI or other proofing RIP, are placed side by side in the viewing box your untrimmed contract proof will work as the visual reference for the media white.
The measured reference for the media white is in the ICC profile for the printing condition, to be precise in the WTPT White Point tag that you can see by doubleclicking the ICC profile in the Apple ColorSync Utility. This is the lightness and tint laid down on proof prints.
You, your client and your chosen printer will get on well if you remember to set up your studio lighting, and trim the blank borders of your proof prints. (Another tip: set your Finder to neutral gray and avoid a clutter of white windows, icons and so forth in the Finder when viewing.)
So far, so good. This leaves the nittygritty of specific ICC profiling packages and specific ICC-enabled applications. As for Aperture, do not apply a gamma correction to your colourant patch chart, or to colour managed printing.
As for Adobe applications, which you say you will be comparing with, you should probably be aware that Adobe InDesign CS3 has problems. When targetting an RGB printing device, the prints are not correctly colour managed, but basically bypass colour management.
There's been a discussion on the Apple ColorSync Users List and on Adobe's fora, see the two threads below.
Hope this helps,
Henrik Holmegaard
technical writer
References:
http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?14@@.59b52c9b/0
http://lists.apple.com/archives/colorsync-users/2007/Nov/msg00143.html

How to get user profiles and tasklists in axf

Hi,
We have configured the the views in the BPM Worklist ,restart all the managed servers like SOA Server,IPM Server and UCM Server.
After that navigate to url-http://ipm:16000/imaging/faces/Driver.jspx to configure command driver input parameter settings-like SolutionNamespace
CommandNamespace and provide the username.
After clicking on Execute request it generates the conversation id but when we clicked on Execute Response button the AXF Task lists and user profile fields are empty.
can anybody suggest the way to get user profiles and axf tasklist?
Snehal

Assign proper groups and/or users to BPM view created.
In IPM login and logout for that user. It will start appearing.
Regards,
Vikrant Korde

Combine Profiles and Target Groups -Segmentation

Hi Experts,
I have a requirement where I will need to join profiles with other profiles and Target groups. I checked in help.sap and I saw the following sentence regarding combining the profiles.
In addition to attributes, you can also combine profiles with other profiles and with target groups.
Example
You select a profile from the components area, drag it onto an existing profile in the staging area and choose keep. The resulting profile contains the attributes contained in both profiles as inclusive conditions.
How do I get the Profiles and the Target groups in the Components area? I can only view the existing Attribute lists. Is there any setting that I have to make to see the existing profiles and target groups ?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Hi Pooja,
which version of the product do you use? CRM 2007?
Scenario 1) I need to combine 2 profiles with an 'OR' condition and create target groups out of the combined profile. How do I accomplish this? Is there any method to combine profiles in the Graphic Modeler?
=> You could have 2 profiles in a profileset and create the target group for the complete profileset. Then the results are "OR combined".
=> Alternatively you can create a new profile which consists of all attributes and create a target group for this profile.
Scenario 2) If we have 2 profiles and a target group in a profile set how do I create a Target Group for all the BP's in the Profile set. The only selection criteria in the Graphic Modeller for me right now is Attribute lists. How do I select Target Groups and Profiles
=> Just create the target group for the complete profile set, then one consolidated target group is created.
Does this help?
Regards, Guido.

Coverage profile and fx lot size.

Dear All
I have a material with coverage profile (MRP2 view)
I have an issue during MRP run in MD03 with this material.
IN material there are folowing parameters
MRP type : PD
Lot size : FX
Fixed lot size : 24
So, In MD03 I get the following:
Per./segmt     PldIndReqs     Requirements      Receipts     Avail. quantity      ATP quantity      Actl cov.     Stat. cov.     Daily reqs      Trget cvge      MaxCv     Min.covge      Target stck Minimum stock     Maximum stock
30.10.2011     0     -10,421      0     120,457      0      14     11,6     10,421      17      20     9      177,157     93,789     208,42
31.10.2011     0     -10,421      0     110,036      0      13     10,6     10,421      17      20     9      177,157     93,789     208,42
01.11.2011     0     -8,445      0     101,591      0      12     12,4     8,164      17      20     9      138,788     73,476     163,28
02.11.2011     0     -8,445      0     93,146      0      11     11,4     8,164      17      20     9      138,788     73,476     163,28
03.11.2011     0     -8,445      0     84,701      0      10     10,4     8,164      17      20     9      138,788     73,476     163,28
04.11.2011     0     -8,445      72     148,256      0      18,6     18,2     8,164      17      20     9      138,788     73,476     163,28
05.11.2011     0     -8,445      0     139,811      0      17,6     17,1     8,164      17      20     9      138,788     73,476     163,28
06.11.2011     0     -8,445      0     131,366      0      16,6     16,1     8,164      17      20     9      138,788     73,476     163,28
07.11.2011     0     -8,445      0     122,921      0      15,6     15,1     8,164      17      20     9      138,788     73,476     163,28
08.11.2011     0     -8,445      0     114,476      0      14,6     14     8,164      17      20     9      138,788     73,476     163,28
Link: [imageshack.us/photo/my-images/33/35632293.jpg]
<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/33/35632293.jpg/">[IMG]http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7832/35632293.jpg[/IMG]</a>
MD03 generated purchase requisition on 04.11.2011 for 72 pcs.
As you can see the available quantity of material on 04.04.11 will be 84,701 - 8,445 = 76,256. That is more than Minimum stock( 73,476)
Can you suggest why system creates purchase requisitions on 04.11.2011 but not on 05.11.2011
I can only assume that it's a one more feature of MRP. It calculates dates and quantitys to be procured as lot size EX was set in material master record and doesn't take into account increasing of stock due to FX lot size.
P.S. When I clear coverage profile in material master , SAP generates pur.requisitions correctly.

OK, now it is more clear.
First you should know that only target is doing a real impact. Min and Max are just for display.
Since you have period as month, looking at it on daily resolution is not relevant, you should look at months. You can also see on your daily display that target stock level will only change at month turn.
Hope that it makes it now easier for you to understand the system's calculation.

Raw, colorsync profiles, and saving/exporting for web

I'm having a bit of trouble dealing with my raw files, or more particularly, being sure that I'm saving for webpages with the right profile.
I have several thousand images in Nikon's NEF and/or DNG format. I'd like to have iPhoto be my main catalog for them, but I don't want to copy over the several gigs worth, so I set the prefs to NOT copy the files over. The working jpg files it creates seem fine, but I can't tell whether they have the AdobeRGB profile associated with them, since that's what I shot them with. I'd then like to export them, or save them, to jpegs for the web at a somewhat reduced size, but they need to be in sRGB format for proper web presentation, which I'll do much of the work with iWeb. But there's no color profile choice in the export dialog, or the edit dialog, or anywhere else I can find. Am I missing something?
Basicallly, I'd like to have all my images in albums, and then have subalbums with the web versions (say about 900x600, about 70% quality, and sRGB color space). Is this possible with iPhoto? I've been mucking about with Adobe's Lightroom, which does have the color space choices in the export dialog, as well as a ton of other features. And previously I used Photoshop CS2 / Bridge to handle everything. But I thought iPhoto would make things easier.
Mark

Thanks for that information, unfortunately I'm not really any closer to solving the issue since I've already tried that. 1) by default, doesn't Aperture automatically embed the sRGB color profile? 2) if I set view>proofing mode to sRGB shouldn't what I see on screen match what a "dumb" application such as Firefox does when it ignores the embedded profile and display sRGB? I've tried going into the preferences>export settings and changed everything to sRGB IEC61966-2.1 but I see no difference in the final image between that and the default setting.
I guess my question is more specific to Aperture since I don't have this problem with other applications. For example, in photoshop if I do Export for Web it strips out any embedded profile and when I open that image in Firefox and Safari side-by-side they are exactly the same. But not so when I export an image from Aperture, when opened in Firefox it is desaturated and flat and of course in Safari it honors the embedded profile and looks fine.

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