Profit Center Segment Change

Hi,
We have been using a segment on a profit center that is incorrect. There have been many postings to the profit center. I realize that I cannot change the segment directly in the master data of the profit center. What is the best way to approach this problem? Do I change the validity period of the existing profit center, create a new profit center with the correct segment and transfer the values?
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Andy

Creating a new profit center with the correct segment is a good idea, but you will also have the need (I assume) to rectify the segment in the existing postings; else you have to have another means to consolidate the numbers into the correct segment for reporting purposes. The segment from the profit center gets defaulted in the transaction data, but using field status, you should also be able to change the incorrect segment in the existing transaction data (again, volume may be a constraint here!).
Please also see the following helpful messages in this forum on this topic.
How to change Field SEGMENT in Profit Centre Master
Modify segment in Profit Center
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Dear Experts,
A customer of mine uses segments for IFRS reporting. They have been live for about 9 months, so obviously all profit centers already contain transaction data. In beginning of next year the number of segments will increase, but they do not want to create totally new profit centers since they already now have thousands of profit centers, so they would very much prefer to simply change the profit center-> segment assignment.
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However, now they have discovered that segment can also be a time-dependent field. This is commented in OSS note 940629, where it is stated that segment should not be changeable therefore, if I understand right, it should not be time-dependant.
Customer's question to me is: Since they at the moment can actually make time-dependant changes to segment, are there any side-effects if they do so? I can appreciate that the answer which I presume to be SAP's official answer "you must create new profit centers instead of making time-dependant changes" is not a desired solution for my customer. I expect customer will have problems if they implement the SP's where segment becomes a totally unchangeable field or if they upgrade to ERP2005 - at the minimum they will lose the possibility to change the segment, but I do not know what will happen to the time-dependant data if the field is changed so that it no longer is time-dependant.
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I hope there is someone who has had the same problem, or if there at least is someone who has had to solve the problem of having the need to change the segment assignment - is creating a new profit center really the only safe way to do it?
All answers are appreciated!
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Sergio
Please refer to the link below. This is a help link for ECC 6.0..
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2005vp/helpdata/en/5b/d2200743c611d182b30000e829fbfe/frameset.htm
Reporting costs and revenues similar to KB61 is possible in ECC 5.0 also.
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Hi experts:
I see that after assigning a segment to a profit center, the field become display only and it is not possible to change.
How is usually the segment modified?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Best regards
Jose

Hi Jos,
Once there is transactional data in Profit center segment field is no longer changeable in order to prevent inconsistencies and incorrect result from the segment reporting point of view. This is standard system behavior.
Please Refer to notes mentioned below.
Note# 1373616    Segment in profit center changed despite transaction data
Note# 1037986    KE52: Changing the segment in the profit center master data
note# 940721      KE52: Segment in prof center master record cannot be changed
According to note 940721,If you have not posted any transactional data yet or have deleted the transaction data in the test system, you can activate the change option in the view V_FAGL_SEGM_PRCT using transaction SM30.
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Wrong segment in profit center

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We created profit centers with assignment to segments(the segments represent branches).But created a few profit centers with wrong segments.
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Edited by: BANJI ADEBOYE on May 19, 2008 8:01 PM

Hi,
A change of the segment to a profit center is critical when there were already documents posted to this profit center. In this case assitional repostings have to be done to ensure the consistency of the current process chain respectively the correctness of the P/L and balance per segment.
As the validation of existing transaction data in certain circumstances is really time-consuming and the performance of the system is affected, the change of the profit center / segment assignment is per default eliminiated.
As described in note 940721, the change of the segment can be managed with the view V_FAGL_SEGM_PRCT. As a pre-condition the profit center must not have transaction data. The first assignment of a profit center to a segment is also an assignment change.
When you for example already have posted a goods receipt to an purchase order with profit center PC1 and segment initial, you afterwards assign the segment A to the profit center PC1 and finally post the invoice receipt, the GR/IR account is debited with segment initial and credited with segment A.
Such changes are espacially critial when you use the online split functionality. Because of these reasons it is not recommended and possible to change the segment in the SAP Standard.
As there is already transaction data in your system you have to check if you have activated the document split functionality.
If the document split functionality is active, please contact you FI consultant. In this case, the impacts of the new assignment on the current business processed have to be checked in detail. It has to be ensured that the change will not cause further posting problems.
If the document split functionality is not active, but there is already transaction data, you also have to check with your consultant which economical impacts the new assignment will have. The assignment
can be done on you own responsiblity, with cancelling the correction of note 940440 or you assign a new segment with a customer own report.
Another option will be creating a new profit center with the correct segment and repost all postings from the profit center with the incorrect segment, to the profit center with the correct segment.
Cheers,
Daniela

Segment reporting, split by profit center; still need segment splitting?

HI experts,
With reference to the subject of this post, I would like to have better understanding on the followings:
Settings (1) IMG > Financial Accounting (New) > Financial Accounting Global Settings (New) > Ledgers > Ledger > Assign Scenarios and Customer Fields to Ledgers ... I have settings of <Profit Center Update and Cost Center Update>
VERSUS
Settings (2) IMG > Financial Accounting (New) > General Ledger Accounting (New) > Business Transactions > Document Splitting > Define Document Splitting Characteristics for General Ledger Accounting ... I have profit center to be split (updated)
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In settings (2), help file says: "This determines what fields in a ledger are updated when it receives posting from other application components." Not quite sure what this statement mean.
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Hello,
The actual need of scenarios to be added in every ledger is the need for these objects to be updated in new tables like FAGLFLEXT. If you do not add scenarios then information of cost center, profit center , segment will not be updated in New GL Tables.
Hence it is mandatory to pass entire information related to Cost Centers, Profit Centers and Segment by adding relevant scenarios to all the ledgers activated.
Secondly, segment is such a field that can not only be derived from profit center but also through a BADI using a logic written using ABAP code.
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Sam

Change Profit center in the SD / FI CO interface to invoicing

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I am trying to change the profit center (resuting from a sales order) in some lines of ACCIT when posting the Fi documents for a sales invoice. This is done in the function exit exit_saplv60b_008 and generally works fine.
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Hello Saint,
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Internal order profit center change

Hi sap gurus,
I want change the internal order profit center but when iam changing the profit center the below message is coming
You changed the profit center; see long text
Message no. KO367
Diagnosis
You have changed the profit center from 1110-P to 1610-P. This is only allowed when the corresponding configuration was made in Customizing. Then this message is only a warning, which you can ignore.
Procedure
If you want to make it possible to change the profit center, you should change this message from an error message into a warning. To do this choose Adjust message control (Application area "KO", message number "367").
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